the sin that cannot be forgiven?

[Guest shiloh357]

I find it interesting that you state the blasphemy of the HS is rooted in unbelief. Unbelief is the reason we disober God. Sin in our life is the same as the demon which Christ was casting out through the HS. This is precisely what we are to do as believers. We are to cast out our own demons by crucifying the flesh.

Unbelief is not necessarily the reason we disobey God.  Disobedience can be rooted in pride, selfishness, bitterness.   Those things are not the same as unbelief.  Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is rooted in unbelief but is characterized as conscious rebellion in an attempt to injure the reputation of the Holy Spirit.

 

 

Claiming we cannot cast out the demons (overcome sin) in our life through the HS is also blasphemy of the HS.

 

No, it is not.  Stop trying to add to Scripture.  Blasphemy is slander.  Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is slander and defamation of the Holy Spirit.  You cannot just arbitrarily make up your own theological definitions. You need to let the Bible offer its own definitions.

 

 

This is exactly what is taught by those who believe we can not stop sinning even as Christians who are led by the HS. They are rejecting God who gave us His HS, 1 Thessalonians 5:7-8, because of their unbelief.

 

  If you are claiming to live a sinless life, the Bible says you are a lying and calling God a liar.

[Mr Nice]

 

I find it interesting that you state the blasphemy of the HS is rooted in unbelief. Unbelief is the reason we disober God. Sin in our life is the same as the demon which Christ was casting out through the HS. This is precisely what we are to do as believers. We are to cast out our own demons by crucifying the flesh.

Unbelief is not necessarily the reason we disobey God.  Disobedience can be rooted in pride, selfishness, bitterness.   Those things are not the same as unbelief.  Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is rooted in unbelief but is characterized as conscious rebellion in an attempt to injure the reputation of the Holy Spirit.

 

Disobedience in scripture is defined as unbelief. Paul says in 1 Timothy 1:8-15 that all the sin he had committed prior to his conversion was done in the ignorance of his unbelief.  Likewise the children of Israel were disobedient in doing what God had commanded,.  They acted ignorantly in unbelief constantly grumbling and complaining in the wilderness, making a golden calf, and failing to attack the inhabitants of Canaan, not believing God would take care of them, Hebrews 3 and Numbers.

 

With regards to "an attempt to injure the reputation of the Holy Spirit", this is exactly what is done when someone claims that they cannot be free from sin when they have the Spirit dwelling within them.  They insult/grieve the Spirit of Grace.  Ephesians 4:14 - 5:6, Hebrews 10:26-31.

 

Claiming we cannot cast out the demons (overcome sin) in our life through the HS is also blasphemy of the HS.

 

No, it is not.  Stop trying to add to Scripture.  Blasphemy is slander.  Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is slander and defamation of the Holy Spirit.  You cannot just arbitrarily make up your own theological definitions. You need to let the Bible offer its own definitions.

 

See statement above about insulting and grieving the HS.

 

This is exactly what is taught by those who believe we can not stop sinning even as Christians who are led by the HS. They are rejecting God who gave us His HS, 1 Thessalonians 5:7-8, because of their unbelief.

 

  If you are claiming to live a sinless life, the Bible says you are a lying and calling God a liar.

 

First and foremost let me make my self abundantly clear. The life I am talking about is the one lived after becoming a Christian, for all men have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, Romans 3:23.  Notice it says have sinned and fallen short, not continues to sin and continues to fall short of His glory.  This is where what you believe about sinning is not according to scripture.  In 1 John 1, John is initially writing to those who do not have fellowship with them, God, or Christ.  He states that if they (those who do not have fellowship) claim to have no sin then they are liars and the truth is not in them.  Similarly, if they claim they have not sinned, then they are calling God a liar and His Word is not in them.  As he goes into chapter 2, he states he is writing to them so they may not sin.  If it is impossible for us to not sin even as Christians, why is he trying to teach them how not to sin.  In 2:3-6, he again defines who the liar is.  This time the liars are those who claim to know God, but do not keep His commandments.  You claim it is not possible to perfectly keep His commandments, and if one says he does keep God's commandments perfectly that he is a liar and is calling God a liar.  This is completely opposite of what John says in In 2:22 he defines the liar as the one who denies Jesus is the Christ.  In 4:20 he says the liar is the one who claims he loves God but hates his brother.  Finally, in 5:10, he says the liar is the one who does not believe God is the liar.  This takes us back to chapter 1,those who don't believe in Christ will never claim they have sin or have not sinned.  

 

Secondly, the verses of chapter 1 can not be written to Christians because a Christian is one who has confessed they have sinned.  This immediately excuses them from the audience.

 

Third, there are those who claim if we can live a life without sin that Christ is no longer needed.  This is also an egregious error, for the only way for someone to sin no longer they must be led by the Spirit whom Christ sent.  They are continuously relying on Christ to continue to fulfill the promises He has made unto us.  To teach we will continue to sin is to teach we must sin so that grace may abound.  It is the same as those who slanderously claimed that Paul was teaching "Let us do evil, so that good may come.", Romans 3:8.

 

God does not mix words.  If He says those who commit sin will not inherit the kingdom of Heaven, that is exactly what He means.  Whereas satan does mix words.  In the Garden of Eden he told Eve that God didn't really mean she would die if she ate of the tree of knowledge.  He told her a partial truth by telling her she would be like God knowing good and evil if she ate of the fruit but lied about the consequence.  Likewise the same lie is referred to in the New Testament, 2 Corinthians 11:1-4.  Paul is speaking of others bringing in a different Jesus than the one whom he had preached.  Paul taught in his epistles to abstain from all wickedness, imitate him as he imitated God, to imitate God, to keep your self free from sin, etc.  He chastised those who were still carnal (of the flesh), taught we will not fulfill the desires of the flesh if we are led by the Spirit (Galatians 5:16) and that there is no condemnation for those who walk according to the Spirit (Romans 8:1-4), that pure and undefiled religion is to keep one self unstained by the world and care for widows and orphans, and that those who commit the deeds of the flesh are under the Law.  He also stated this in 1 Timothy 1:8-11.  The Law is not for the righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching, according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted.  All sin is contrary to sound teaching and those who continue to commit sin are under the Law.  We are only under grace when we walk in the Light as He is in the Light being lead by His Spirit, for in Him there is no darkness.

 

2Co 6:14-18  Do not be bound together with unbelievers; for what partnership have righteousness and lawlessness, or what fellowship has light with darkness?  (15)  Or what harmony has Christ with Belial, or what has a believer in common with an unbeliever?  (16)  Or what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God; just as God said, "I WILL DWELL IN THEM AND WALK AMONG THEM; AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD, AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE.  (17)  "Therefore, COME OUT FROM THEIR MIDST AND BE SEPARATE," says the Lord. "AND DO NOT TOUCH WHAT IS UNCLEAN; And I will welcome you.  (18)  "And I will be a father to you, And you shall be sons and daughters to Me," Says the Lord Almighty.

 

Light and darkness are incompatible.  Christians are the temple of God which shall not be joined with idols.  God will only welcome us as His people IF we do not touch what is unclean.  To claim we will continue to sin is to believe that God has repeatedly commanded us to do what we cannot do even with all of the magnificent promises He has given us.  Would a parent ever instruct their child to go do something they no the child cannot do?  Absolutely not.  A parent may tell the child to do something which is challenging but never something they were not able to do.  The parent would always be there ready to help in the child's time of need to provide every thing needed to be successful.  This is exactly what God has done.  People often get it wrong when they talk about how difficult it is to keep God's commandments.  The reality of it is that it is difficult to give up themselves.  Christ said His yoke is easy and His burden is light.  Why do so many claim not only is it not easy but it is impossible while God says it is possible through Him?

 

I used to believe the same as you, but I found no pleasure or happiness in believing that no matter how much faith I had I was always going to be a failure to God.  This is what you are teaching when you claim we cannot cease from sin.  What joy and peace is there in living this way?   If you teach a child he needs to do something a certain way in order to receive a reward and then tell them they will always fail yet still receive the reward you are doing two things.  First you are ensuring they always will fail.  Second, they will never truly strive to do what they have been instructed to do because you have told them there is no consequence for failure.  

 

Finally, claiming it is impossible to cease from sin as a Christian is calling God a liar because God says all things are possible through Him. 

 

Rom 8:5-17  For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.  (6)  For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace,  (7)  because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so,  (8)  and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.  (9)  However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.  (10)  If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness.  (11)  But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.  (12)  So then, brethren, we are under obligation, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh--  (13)  for if you are living according to the flesh, you must die; but if by the Spirit you are putting to death the deeds of the body, you will live.  (14)  For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.  (15)  For you have not received a spirit of slavery leading to fear again, but you have received a spirit of adoption as sons by which we cry out, "Abba! Father!"  (16)  The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God,  (17)  and if children, heirs also, heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him so that we may also be glorified with Him.

[Guest shiloh357]

 

 

I find it interesting that you state the blasphemy of the HS is rooted in unbelief. Unbelief is the reason we disober God. Sin in our life is the same as the demon which Christ was casting out through the HS. This is precisely what we are to do as believers. We are to cast out our own demons by crucifying the flesh.

Unbelief is not necessarily the reason we disobey God.  Disobedience can be rooted in pride, selfishness, bitterness.   Those things are not the same as unbelief.  Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is rooted in unbelief but is characterized as conscious rebellion in an attempt to injure the reputation of the Holy Spirit.

 

Disobedience in scripture is defined as unbelief. Paul says in 1 Timothy 1:8-15 that all the sin he had committed prior to his conversion was done in the ignorance of his unbelief.  Likewise the children of Israel were disobedient in doing what God had commanded,.  They acted ignorantly in unbelief constantly grumbling and complaining in the wilderness, making a golden calf, and failing to attack the inhabitants of Canaan, not believing God would take care of them, Hebrews 3 and Numbers.

 

With regards to "an attempt to injure the reputation of the Holy Spirit", this is exactly what is done when someone claims that they cannot be free from sin when they have the Spirit dwelling within them.  They insult/grieve the Spirit of Grace.  Ephesians 4:14 - 5:6, Hebrews 10:26-31.

 

Claiming we cannot cast out the demons (overcome sin) in our life through the HS is also blasphemy of the HS.

 

No, it is not.  Stop trying to add to Scripture.  Blasphemy is slander.  Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is slander and defamation of the Holy Spirit.  You cannot just arbitrarily make up your own theological definitions. You need to let the Bible offer its own definitions.

 

See statement above about insulting and grieving the HS.

 

This is exactly what is taught by those who believe we can not stop sinning even as Christians who are led by the HS. They are rejecting God who gave us His HS, 1 Thessalonians 5:7-8, because of their unbelief.

 

  If you are claiming to live a sinless life, the Bible says you are a lying and calling God a liar.

 

First and foremost let me make my self abundantly clear. The life I am talking about is the one lived after becoming a Christian, for all men have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, Romans 3:23.  Notice it says have sinned and fallen short, not continues to sin and continues to fall short of His glory. 

 

Even if you kept every one of God's commandments perfectly, your observance of those commandments are stained with sin.  The ONLY person who ever completely pleased God was Jesus because Jesus did not have a sin nature.  Jesus did not have the stain of sin.   So really, you still fall short of God's glory even now.

 

Your good works may look wonderfully holy to YOU, but your best deeds on your best day are filthy, wretched and covered in sin. The ONLY reason God justifies us is the work of Christ on the cross, not based on anything we have done.

[Guest Butero]

The Bible simply tells us that blasphemy, including speaking a word against the HS is an unpardonable sin.  It doesn't say unbelief is an unpardonable sin.  They are two different things.  If you look at what was taking place when this sin occurred in the Bible, the religious crowd was attributing the working of the Holy Spirit to the devil.  To me, this notion that blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is unbelief is completely out of left field, and it is an example of how someone is trying to find a way to make something read different from what it says to preserve a theological belief they hold, namely OSAS.  There is no basis for it.  The Bible is just saying that God refuses to forgive a person that speaks against the HS.  It seems pretty obvious to me. 

[Guest shiloh357]

The Bible simply tells us that blasphemy, including speaking a word against the HS is an unpardonable sin. 

Those are one and the same thing.  The word spoken against the Holy Spirit is blasphemy.

 

It doesn't say unbelief is an unpardonable sin.  They are two different things. 

 

True.  But blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is rooted a purposeful and intentional unbelief or disbelief.

 

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f you look at what was taking place when this sin occurred in the Bible, the religious crowd was attributing the working of the Holy Spirit to the devil.  To me, this notion that blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is unbelief is completely out of left field, and it is an example of how someone is trying to find a way to make something read different from what it says to preserve a theological belief they hold, namely OSAS.  There is no basis for it.  The Bible is just saying that God refuses to forgive a person that speaks against the HS.  It seems pretty obvious to me.

 

Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit when it was committed by Jesus' enemies was done in full knowledge of the truth.  It was obvious that Jesus was operating under the power of the Holy Spirit, and they could not deny what was happening in front of them and everyone else.   So they chose to attribute Jesus' power to cast out demons to the prince of demons.  That isn't the same as unbelief but it is rooted in it.   That's why it can't be committed by believers.

 

Authentic followers of Jesus don't speak against the Holy Spirit.

[Roy B.]

almightyist:  With respect....Causing a child to sin, child molestation, denying and betraying Christ are sins which can all be forgiven.  As evil as they are, those sins are not blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

Edited December 30, 2014 by Roy B.

[enoob57]

Scripture teaches context and there is a considerable depth to this understanding... it actually begins
in the fall of Lucifer when He, in the very presence of God, thought himself more wonderful than The One
Who had made Him. It is in this context that we find unforgivable sin and the difference of that sin lies
in eternity with or without God! As the religious leaders of that time are mimicking the exact heart of
their father Lucifer (so testified of Christ here)
John 8:42-47
42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would
love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither
came I of myself, but he sent me. 43 Why do ye not
understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my
word. 44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of
your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the
beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no
truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his
own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 45 And because I
tell you the truth, ye believe me not. 46 Which of you
convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not
believe me? 47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye
therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
KJV
Clearly God has died for all sin but when you have progressed into commiting blasphemy of The Holy Spirit
you have removed God as God and that leaves only Lucifer or any number of imitations of Lucifer in self
deification with the exclusion of anything greater than that... Love, Steven

[lavey.online]

Consider a situation ...

 

a President or Prime minister of a nation comes to my house ... enters the toilet ... Cleaning the nasty things by his hands ...

 

Could you just imagine this kind of thing happening in any of the homes ? ... Never ...

 

But it happens ...He is the Almighty ... Lord of lords ... Most Powerful & Most High than anyone else ... but ...

 

He came ( in the name of Holy Spirit )... came into my heart ... cleaning the nasty things ... and make it clean & shining ...

 

So ... Holy Spirit is the uttermost symbol of God's humbleness ... for having the divine love on human being ... that's why, Lord the Father gives very high importance for giving proper respect to Holy Spirit.

 

For this reason, the, "blasphemy of the Holy Spirit" will never be forgiven ... Amen !

[Mr Nice]

 

 

 

I find it interesting that you state the blasphemy of the HS is rooted in unbelief. Unbelief is the reason we disober God. Sin in our life is the same as the demon which Christ was casting out through the HS. This is precisely what we are to do as believers. We are to cast out our own demons by crucifying the flesh.

Unbelief is not necessarily the reason we disobey God.  Disobedience can be rooted in pride, selfishness, bitterness.   Those things are not the same as unbelief.  Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is rooted in unbelief but is characterized as conscious rebellion in an attempt to injure the reputation of the Holy Spirit.

 

Disobedience in scripture is defined as unbelief. Paul says in 1 Timothy 1:8-15 that all the sin he had committed prior to his conversion was done in the ignorance of his unbelief.  Likewise the children of Israel were disobedient in doing what God had commanded,.  They acted ignorantly in unbelief constantly grumbling and complaining in the wilderness, making a golden calf, and failing to attack the inhabitants of Canaan, not believing God would take care of them, Hebrews 3 and Numbers.

 

With regards to "an attempt to injure the reputation of the Holy Spirit", this is exactly what is done when someone claims that they cannot be free from sin when they have the Spirit dwelling within them.  They insult/grieve the Spirit of Grace.  Ephesians 4:14 - 5:6, Hebrews 10:26-31.

 

Claiming we cannot cast out the demons (overcome sin) in our life through the HS is also blasphemy of the HS.

 

No, it is not.  Stop trying to add to Scripture.  Blasphemy is slander.  Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is slander and defamation of the Holy Spirit.  You cannot just arbitrarily make up your own theological definitions. You need to let the Bible offer its own definitions.

 

See statement above about insulting and grieving the HS.

 

This is exactly what is taught by those who believe we can not stop sinning even as Christians who are led by the HS. They are rejecting God who gave us His HS, 1 Thessalonians 5:7-8, because of their unbelief.

 

  If you are claiming to live a sinless life, the Bible says you are a lying and calling God a liar.

 

First and foremost let me make my self abundantly clear. The life I am talking about is the one lived after becoming a Christian, for all men have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, Romans 3:23.  Notice it says have sinned and fallen short, not continues to sin and continues to fall short of His glory. 

 

Even if you kept every one of God's commandments perfectly, your observance of those commandments are stained with sin.  The ONLY person who ever completely pleased God was Jesus because Jesus did not have a sin nature.  Jesus did not have the stain of sin.   So really, you still fall short of God's glory even now.

 

Your good works may look wonderfully holy to YOU, but your best deeds on your best day are filthy, wretched and covered in sin. The ONLY reason God justifies us is the work of Christ on the cross, not based on anything we have done.

 

Who are you to judge me and what I am doing?  You do not even know me yet you claim  my best deeds on my best day are filthy, wretched and covered in sin.  We are justified by Christ and our sins are cleansed if we walk in the Light.  Continuing to commit sin is not walking in the light therefore there is no cleansing.  To claim to have fellowship with God while continuing to sin makes a person a liar who does not practice the truth, 1 John 1:6-7.

 

Please explain how we are still stained with sin if we are keeping God's commandments.   If I have accepted Christ, been baptized for the remission of my sins, and have received the gift of the Holy Spirit who leads me so that I do not fulfill the desires of the flesh (do not sin) how am I still stained with sin?  I have been cleansed by the blood of Christ, the only way I would now be stained is if I continued to sin (walk in darkness) which is what so many claim they do even though scripture makes no such claim.  It says the opposite.  It says those who are born of God cannot sin.  Not that it is impossible to sin, but that one who continues to sin is not born of God, 1 John 3:7-10.  We do not abide in Him or He in us unless we are keeping His commandments by being led by the Holy Spirit.  

 

1Jn 3:19-24  "We will know by this that we are of the truth, and will assure our heart before Him  (20)  in whatever our heart condemns us; for God is greater than our heart and knows all things.  (21)  Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence before God;  (22)  and whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do the things that are pleasing in His sight.  (23)  This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us.  (24)  The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. We know by this that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us."

 

Joh 14:15-26  "If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.  (16)  "I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever;  (17)  that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you.  (18)  "I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.  (19)  "After a little while the world will no longer see Me, but you will see Me; because I live, you will live also.  (20)  "In that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you.  (21)  "He who has My commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me; and he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and will disclose Myself to him."  (22)  Judas (not Iscariot) *said to Him, "Lord, what then has happened that You are going to disclose Yourself to us and not to the world?"  (23)  Jesus answered and said to him, "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our abode with him.  (24)  "He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine, but the Father's who sent Me.  (25)  "These things I have spoken to you while abiding with you.  (26)  "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.

 

Those who have suffered in the flesh as Christ has suffered have ceased from sin.  This suffering is not physical death, it is the trials we face just like Christ faced.  1Pe 4:1-3  

 

"Therefore, since Christ has suffered in the flesh, arm yourselves also with the same purpose, because he who has suffered in the flesh has ceased from sin,  (2)  so as to live the rest of the time in the flesh no longer for the lusts of men, but for the will of God.  (3)  For the time already past is sufficient for you to have carried out the desire of the Gentiles, having pursued a course of sensuality, lusts, drunkenness, carousing, drinking parties and abominable idolatries."

 

Heb 5:7-10  In the days of His flesh, He offered up both prayers and supplications with loud crying and tears to the One able to save Him from death, and He was heard because of His piety.  (8)  Although He was a Son, He learned obedience from the things which He suffered.  (9)  And having been made perfect, He became to all those who obey Him the source of eternal salvation,  (10)  being designated by God as a high priest according to the order of Melchizedek.

 

I agree Christ was not stained with sin, but in order for Him to be tempted as we are so that He could sympathize with us and provide help in our time of need Jesus had to have the propensity to sin.  He came in the form of man in the weakness of the flesh.  God sent Him in the likeness of sinful flesh in order to condemn sin in the flesh.  Rom 8:3-4  

 

"For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh,  (4)  so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit."

 

You claim we can't please God.  Scripture begs to differ, for those who are of the flesh cannot please God, but we are not of the flesh, we are of the Spirit.  Rom 8:6-14  

 

"For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace,  (7)  because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so,  (8)  and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.  (9)  However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.  (10)  If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness.  (11)  But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.  (12)  So then, brethren, we are under obligation, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh--  (13)  for if you are living according to the flesh, you must die; but if by the Spirit you are putting to death the deeds of the body, you will live.  (14)  For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God."

 

The good works we do are those prepared for us to do by God,  therefore it is not our works, they are His.  The problem is many stop at "We are saved by grace through faith" and fail to recognize we are His, created to do the good works which He prepared for us to walk-in.  Eph 2:8-10  

 

"For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;  (9)  not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.  (10)  For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them."

 

Keeping His commandments is only doing what He created us to do.  They are His works we are performing and not our own.  The works we do are sown in the Spirit and will result in eternal life, whereas those who sow to the flesh (commit sin, whether they area Christian or not) will result in death.  Gal 6:6-10  

 

(6) The one who is taught the word is to share all good things with the one who teaches him.  (7)  Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, this he will also reap.  (8)  For the one who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption, but the one who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life.  (9)  Let us not lose heart in doing good, for in due time we will reap if we do not grow weary.  (10)  So then, while we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, and especially to those who are of the household of the faith.

 

You need to learn to live according to the promises God has made.  2Co 1:20  For as many as are the promises of God, in Him they are yes; therefore also through Him is our Amen to the glory of God through us. 

 

2Co 6:13 - 7:1 Now in a like exchange--I speak as to children--open wide to us also.  (14)  Do not be bound together with unbelievers; for what partnership have righteousness and lawlessness, or what fellowship has light with darkness?  (15)  Or what harmony has Christ with Belial, or what has a believer in common with an unbeliever?  (16)  Or what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God; just as God said, "I WILL DWELL IN THEM AND WALK AMONG THEM; AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD, AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE.  (17)  "Therefore, COME OUT FROM THEIR MIDST AND BE SEPARATE," says the Lord. "AND DO NOT TOUCH WHAT IS UNCLEAN; And I will welcome you.  (18)  "And I will be a father to you, And you shall be sons and daughters to Me," Says the Lord Almighty. (1) Therefore, having these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all defilement of flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God. 

 

Why do you claim with all the promises of God that you will continue to sin?  Why do you not believe we can cleanse ourselves from all defilement (by not sinning)?  Why do you believe we cannot perfect holiness in the fear of God?

 

Based on your beliefs that we will continue to sin Paul must have always been punishing himself for his disobedience, because he said he was ready to punish all disobedience.  2Co 10:2-6  I ask that when I am present I need not be bold with the confidence with which I propose to be courageous against some, who regard us as if we walked according to the flesh.  (3)  For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh,  (4)  for the weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh, but divinely powerful for the destruction of fortresses.  (5)  We are destroying speculations and every lofty thing raised up against the knowledge of God, and we are taking every thought captive to the obedience of Christ,  (6)  and we are ready to punish all disobedience, whenever your obedience is complete.

 

Yet Paul claimed he and those with him took every thought captive to the obedience of Christ, that is to say he did not sin after his conversion for it is impossible to sin if every thought is held captive in obedience to Christ.

 

Finally, we are justified by faith and works, where the works we do we do to the glory of God and our faith is perfected.  Faith in believing what God has done and will do for those who love Him by doing what He has commanded through guidance of the Holy Spirit.  In no way have I claimed to be doing works which are my own in order to receive salvation.  However in the end we will all be judged by our deeds whether good or bad.

 

2Co 5:10  For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may be recompensed for his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.

 

If you make a claim about what scripture says you must use scripture to defend it otherwise it is only empty words, the thoughts of man.

 

Do you believe we can abstain from all wickedness as a Christian?  If not, please use His word to make your point because then it will no longer be your point but God's point.

 

2Ti 2:15-22  Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, accurately handling the word of truth.  (16)  But avoid worldly and empty chatter, for it will lead to further ungodliness,  (17)  and their talk will spread like gangrene. Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus,  (18)  men who have gone astray from the truth saying that the resurrection has already taken place, and they upset the faith of some.  (19)  Nevertheless, the firm foundation of God stands, having this seal, "The Lord knows those who are His," and, "Everyone who names the name of the Lord is to abstain from wickedness."  (20)  Now in a large house there are not only gold and silver vessels, but also vessels of wood and of earthenware, and some to honor and some to dishonor.  (21)  Therefore, if anyone cleanses himself from these things, he will be a vessel for honor, sanctified, useful to the Master, prepared for every good work.  (22)  Now flee from youthful lusts and pursue righteousness, faith, love and peace, with those who call on the Lord from a pure heart.

[Guest shiloh357]

 

 

 

 

I find it interesting that you state the blasphemy of the HS is rooted in unbelief. Unbelief is the reason we disober God. Sin in our life is the same as the demon which Christ was casting out through the HS. This is precisely what we are to do as believers. We are to cast out our own demons by crucifying the flesh.

Unbelief is not necessarily the reason we disobey God.  Disobedience can be rooted in pride, selfishness, bitterness.   Those things are not the same as unbelief.  Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is rooted in unbelief but is characterized as conscious rebellion in an attempt to injure the reputation of the Holy Spirit.

 

Disobedience in scripture is defined as unbelief. Paul says in 1 Timothy 1:8-15 that all the sin he had committed prior to his conversion was done in the ignorance of his unbelief.  Likewise the children of Israel were disobedient in doing what God had commanded,.  They acted ignorantly in unbelief constantly grumbling and complaining in the wilderness, making a golden calf, and failing to attack the inhabitants of Canaan, not believing God would take care of them, Hebrews 3 and Numbers.

 

With regards to "an attempt to injure the reputation of the Holy Spirit", this is exactly what is done when someone claims that they cannot be free from sin when they have the Spirit dwelling within them.  They insult/grieve the Spirit of Grace.  Ephesians 4:14 - 5:6, Hebrews 10:26-31.

 

Claiming we cannot cast out the demons (overcome sin) in our life through the HS is also blasphemy of the HS.

 

No, it is not.  Stop trying to add to Scripture.  Blasphemy is slander.  Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is slander and defamation of the Holy Spirit.  You cannot just arbitrarily make up your own theological definitions. You need to let the Bible offer its own definitions.

 

See statement above about insulting and grieving the HS.

 

This is exactly what is taught by those who believe we can not stop sinning even as Christians who are led by the HS. They are rejecting God who gave us His HS, 1 Thessalonians 5:7-8, because of their unbelief.

 

  If you are claiming to live a sinless life, the Bible says you are a lying and calling God a liar.

 

First and foremost let me make my self abundantly clear. The life I am talking about is the one lived after becoming a Christian, for all men have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, Romans 3:23.  Notice it says have sinned and fallen short, not continues to sin and continues to fall short of His glory. 

 

Even if you kept every one of God's commandments perfectly, your observance of those commandments are stained with sin.  The ONLY person who ever completely pleased God was Jesus because Jesus did not have a sin nature.  Jesus did not have the stain of sin.   So really, you still fall short of God's glory even now.

 

Your good works may look wonderfully holy to YOU, but your best deeds on your best day are filthy, wretched and covered in sin. The ONLY reason God justifies us is the work of Christ on the cross, not based on anything we have done.

 

Who are you to judge me and what I am doing?  You do not even know me yet you claim  my best deeds on my best day are filthy, wretched and covered in sin.  We are justified by Christ and our sins are cleansed if we walk in the Light. 

 

Justification is a legal declaration.  Righteousness is imputed to us by faith, just as it was in Abraham's case (Rom. 4)   Our sins were paid for on the cross, but we are not made sinless.  The Bible never says that.  I am not judging you.  What i said is true about all believers.  

 

Sin is not cleansed if we walk in the light.  The Bible doesn't say that.  Sin is only cleansed by the blood of Jesus.  If you say otherwise, you putting forth false teaching.

 

 Continuing to commit sin is not walking in the light therefore there is no cleansing.  To claim to have fellowship with God while continuing to sin makes a person a liar who does not practice the truth, 1 John 1:6-7.

 

 

Right but John is talking about those who live in habitual sin.   It's not saying that if you commit a single sin that you have no fellowship with God.   John is speaking to those cultists in the first century namely Gnostics who had infiltrated the church and who believed (as was common in Greek philosophy) that knowledge and virtue didn't necessarily translate into actions.   John is confronting those who were living in habitual sinful lifestyles but claiming to have fellowship with Christ.

 

We all still sin and that's a fact, and Paul was continually addressing sin in the churches in all of his epistles and he NEVER told them they were unsaved.