Is that for me to eat

[Qnts2]

 

 

does the law of clean and unclean meats apply for Christians today why or why not ?

 

As matter fact, clean and uclean meats applies for christians today. Because Gods commandments can not change. If Yeshua declares declares it is ok to eat unclean meats..then he would be a false prophet according to Torah

 

 

Actually, if clean and unclean meats applies to Gentile Christians, then God changed the law. Gentiles were never required to eat kosher/clean meat. That was only given to the children of Israel. OT scripture is very specific about the laws as to who each law pertains to.

 

Deut 14:21 “You shall not eat anything which dies of itself. You may give it to the alien who is in your town, so that he may eat it, or you may sell it to a foreigner, for you are a holy people to the Lord your God.

 

In Deut 14:21, God is speaking to the children of Israel. He tells the children of Israel they can not eat anything which dies of itself. However, the they may give it to an alien who then may eat it. So the alien can eat what is forbidden to the children of Israel. In this translation, the alien is a Gentile who lives in the land of Israel. Not only that but a foreigner is a Gentile who is just passing thru Israel, and the children of Israel are allowed to sell that meat to the foreigner.

 

So, it is very clear from the law, that the children of Israel received food restrictions which were not given to Gentiles. If Gentile Chrisitans have the same Mosaic law (which they don't), then according to the law, Gentiles are not commanded to eat only 'clean' food. So if Y'shua told Gentiles they don't have to be circumcised, and that they have to eat only clean food, He would have changed the law, and would have been a false prophet.

[Guest shiloh357]

 

 

 

does the law of clean and unclean meats apply for Christians today why or why not ?

 

No, they do not apply to Christians.   Those commandments were given to the nation of Israel.  They were never repeated as a commandment to the Church.   They are relevant to us for the purpose of theological insight/lessons, but they are not given as commandment for us to observe in the New Testament economy.

 

Then your saying homosexuality is ok....

 

Wrong.  The NT has a lot to say about sexual purity and Jesus upholds the biblical definition of marriage between one man and one woman.    You are attempting to assign a value to me that you know isn't true, and in doing so you are intellectually dishonest.

[Guest shiloh357]

 

 

does the law of clean and unclean meats apply for Christians today why or why not ?

 

As matter fact, clean and uclean meats applies for christians today. Because Gods commandments can not change. If Yeshua declares declares it is ok to eat unclean meats..then he would be a false prophet according to Torah

 

It's not a matter of the dietary laws "changing."    The dietary laws were given to Israel alone.  They were never intended to be for all men for all time.  So when we say they are not for us, we are not saying that anything changed.  We are simply affirming the fact that Gentiles were never required to keep them in the first place.     If anything YOU are the one trying to change the laws by making them apply to people they were never intended for.

 

As for God's laws not changing, you are incorrect.   There was a a change in the law of Moses regarding the priesthood according to the book of Hebrews.   After Jesus' death and resurrection, a new priestly order was established.  The order of Melchi-tsedek now takes precedence over the Aaronic priesthood established in the Torah.  We have a new priesthood, no more animal blood and better promises.  

[justfaith]

Justfaith

 

 1 Timothy 4:4   For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:

 

We can eat anything if we give thanks, for God will make it clean.

 

but don't eat things strangled because it contains the blood;  Simple.

 

 Acts 15:19   Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:

Acts 15:20   But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.

 

I live in Australia, it is law here that they let the blood drain from an animal before packaging, so we are not eating animals strangled, but slaughtered animals where the blood has drained out.

however, in certain cultures they use the blood for their recipes.  I have an aunty who is hindu and makes a jelly out of blood.

If she reads the scriptures, she would not do that anymore, but our culture here does not have blood recipes.

 

 

Furthermore, it says to abstain from blood.  It doesn't say specifically here in Acts that you cannot eat or drink it, but just stay away from blood altogether.

I would say, don't even have a blood transfusion.  Don't take blood in any form.

I was once put to this test, and refused.  I nearly died, but am still here.  That was 13 years ago.

And no, I am not JW,

I made this decision from reading the scriptures alone and put two and two together.  Stay away from blood in all forms.

1 Timothy 4th Chapter

 

In the last days there were to be seducing spirits. They were to command to abstain from meats that God created to be received with thanksgiving, or in other words they were to be vegetarians, and were to forbid to marry. "For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer. - 1 Timothy 4:4-5" We have many vegetarians in the world who command their followers to abstain from all meats.

 

As the word sanctify means to set apart, there must be two classes of creatures in the world. There was a sign of sanctification before the flood or Noah would not have known the clean from the unclean, in taking the beasts into the ark.

 

Therefore, they were (sanctified) set apart, some clean and some unclean before that time. If all were cleansed by the blood of Christ, there would be only one class in the world and no unclean for the clean to be set apart from. If all the people in the world were righteous alike, they could not be sanctified because there would be no wicked or sinners for the righteous to be set apart from; so it remains that there were animals created to be received with thanksgiving, and some not to be received with thanksgiving as a food, and some sanctified by the Word of God, and some not sanctified for food.

 

[justfaith]

 

 

 

does the law of clean and unclean meats apply for Christians today why or why not ?

 

As matter fact, clean and uclean meats applies for christians today. Because Gods commandments can not change. If Yeshua declares declares it is ok to eat unclean meats..then he would be a false prophet according to Torah

 

 

Actually, if clean and unclean meats applies to Gentile Christians, then God changed the law. Gentiles were never required to eat kosher/clean meat. That was only given to the children of Israel. OT scripture is very specific about the laws as to who each law pertains to.

 

Deut 14:21 “You shall not eat anything which dies of itself. You may give it to the alien who is in your town, so that he may eat it, or you may sell it to a foreigner, for you are a holy people to the Lord your God.

 

In Deut 14:21, God is speaking to the children of Israel. He tells the children of Israel they can not eat anything which dies of itself. However, the they may give it to an alien who then may eat it. So the alien can eat what is forbidden to the children of Israel. In this translation, the alien is a Gentile who lives in the land of Israel. Not only that but a foreigner is a Gentile who is just passing thru Israel, and the children of Israel are allowed to sell that meat to the foreigner.

 

So, it is very clear from the law, that the children of Israel received food restrictions which were not given to Gentiles. If Gentile Chrisitans have the same Mosaic law (which they don't), then according to the law, Gentiles are not commanded to eat only 'clean' food. So if Y'shua told Gentiles they don't have to be circumcised, and that they have to eat only clean food, He would have changed the law, and would have been a false prophet.

 

Are you an Israelite or a Jew since you are in Jesus ? 

[shinethelight14]

 

 

 

 

does the law of clean and unclean meats apply for Christians today why or why not ?

 

No, they do not apply to Christians.   Those commandments were given to the nation of Israel.  They were never repeated as a commandment to the Church.   They are relevant to us for the purpose of theological insight/lessons, but they are not given as commandment for us to observe in the New Testament economy.

 

Then your saying homosexuality is ok....

 

Wrong.  The NT has a lot to say about sexual purity and Jesus upholds the biblical definition of marriage between one man and one woman.    You are attempting to assign a value to me that you know isn't true, and in doing so you are intellectually dishonest.

 

Dishonest?  I know it is the truth. The Holy Spirit convince me as the truth eating unclean food is a sin.

[Guest shiloh357]

 

 

 

 

 

does the law of clean and unclean meats apply for Christians today why or why not ?

 

No, they do not apply to Christians.   Those commandments were given to the nation of Israel.  They were never repeated as a commandment to the Church.   They are relevant to us for the purpose of theological insight/lessons, but they are not given as commandment for us to observe in the New Testament economy.

 

Then your saying homosexuality is ok....

 

Wrong.  The NT has a lot to say about sexual purity and Jesus upholds the biblical definition of marriage between one man and one woman.    You are attempting to assign a value to me that you know isn't true, and in doing so you are intellectually dishonest.

 

Dishonest?  I know it is the truth. The Holy Spirit convince me as the truth eating unclean food is a sin.

 

No, what I said is that you know I am not saying that homosexuality is okay, but you choose to assign that value to me.  THAT is what is dishonest.

[Qnts2]

 

 

 

Actually, if clean and unclean meats applies to Gentile Christians, then God changed the law. Gentiles were never required to eat kosher/clean meat. That was only given to the children of Israel. OT scripture is very specific about the laws as to who each law pertains to.

 

Deut 14:21 “You shall not eat anything which dies of itself. You may give it to the alien who is in your town, so that he may eat it, or you may sell it to a foreigner, for you are a holy people to the Lord your God.

 

In Deut 14:21, God is speaking to the children of Israel. He tells the children of Israel they can not eat anything which dies of itself. However, the they may give it to an alien who then may eat it. So the alien can eat what is forbidden to the children of Israel. In this translation, the alien is a Gentile who lives in the land of Israel. Not only that but a foreigner is a Gentile who is just passing thru Israel, and the children of Israel are allowed to sell that meat to the foreigner.

 

So, it is very clear from the law, that the children of Israel received food restrictions which were not given to Gentiles. If Gentile Chrisitans have the same Mosaic law (which they don't), then according to the law, Gentiles are not commanded to eat only 'clean' food. So if Y'shua told Gentiles they don't have to be circumcised, and that they have to eat only clean food, He would have changed the law, and would have been a false prophet.

 

Are you an Israelite or a Jew since you are in Jesus ? 

 

 

I am Jewish. A Messianic Jew.  

 

Gentile Christians do not become Jews or Israel. In the NT, Gentile believers are always referred to as Gentile.  Gentile means 'not Jewish'.

Oh, and Jews who believe on Jesus do not become Gentiles.

[Sevenseas]

 

 

 

 

 

does the law of clean and unclean meats apply for Christians today why or why not ?

 

No, they do not apply to Christians.   Those commandments were given to the nation of Israel.  They were never repeated as a commandment to the Church.   They are relevant to us for the purpose of theological insight/lessons, but they are not given as commandment for us to observe in the New Testament economy.

 

Then your saying homosexuality is ok....

 

Wrong.  The NT has a lot to say about sexual purity and Jesus upholds the biblical definition of marriage between one man and one woman.    You are attempting to assign a value to me that you know isn't true, and in doing so you are intellectually dishonest.

 

Dishonest?  I know it is the truth. The Holy Spirit convince me as the truth eating unclean food is a sin.

 

 

 

Someone or something may have convinced you, but it is not the Holy Spirit...I was just reading again this am in Hebrews that the law no longer applies and

we now have a much better covenant.

 

You are convinced...so for you, it could be a sin...for those who accept that no law can achieve salvation, we are free to eat or not eat

 

But yr post is somewhat confusing as shiloh is responding here to yr false claims that he thinks homsexuality is ok...however, you are back to your

dietary rules

 

 

As I said, if you are convinced, then you had best apply that to yourself

[OakWood]

 

 

 

 

 

does the law of clean and unclean meats apply for Christians today why or why not ?

 

No, they do not apply to Christians.   Those commandments were given to the nation of Israel.  They were never repeated as a commandment to the Church.   They are relevant to us for the purpose of theological insight/lessons, but they are not given as commandment for us to observe in the New Testament economy.

 

Then your saying homosexuality is ok....

 

Wrong.  The NT has a lot to say about sexual purity and Jesus upholds the biblical definition of marriage between one man and one woman.    You are attempting to assign a value to me that you know isn't true, and in doing so you are intellectually dishonest.

 

Dishonest?  I know it is the truth. The Holy Spirit convince me as the truth eating unclean food is a sin.

 

 

Yes, eating unclean food is a sin, you are right. But there are no unclean foods for Gentiles.