It's simple really!

[Fez]

 

Threads like this are quite amazing. A thread starts with a narrow focus, and after a while it has become so diverse, you cannot remember what the OP even was. Then come those who add diversity to the conversation, and make useful contributions and others who try to do likewise but end up injecting a mixture of truth and ignorance, speculation and knowledge, and of course controversy and vitriole are close on the heels of it all. 

 

It is sad to watch how easily, pride enters the picture and rather than having a thread that glorifies God, edifies people, and exudes love, it moves from a positive evolution to an absolute degradation. It is one of the reasons I do not spend more time it the forums, and perhaps, FEZ's own thread, has turned into an example of what he was pointning out as a problem in the first place.

Alright, but to be honest, I don't think I understand what the upshot of the OP is in the first place. For myself I have been trying to figure that out this entire time.

 

Ok alpha one more time, and I will try and be simple so that I follow my own reasoning..

 

Don't take on stuff like demons, and speculation about demon's (and other darker stuff), until you know what the Love of God really means, because this is the only foundation you can trust when under any attack, spiritual, financial, health wise, etc.

 

And when I ask people to tell me what the Love of God means to them (not their love for God), they can't or will not answer, and instead, as omega so clearly state's, resort to changing the subject, ducking the issue, and getting a little testy....

 

Only two people have even come close in self examining themselves and what the Love of God means to them, and posting it here.

 

Why? because it is a difficult question for believers to answer, it forces us to look at ourselves and not others for a while. And that is hard to do.

 

But God willing there are those who have participated in this thread who have taken the time to be a bit introspective.

[ayin jade]

I didnt see the need to post that fez. But since you want to hear it. 

 

The love of God means I am saved. Which I do not deserve. 

 

It means that I am highly regarded by Him. For reasons I cant fathom. 

 

It means He cares enough to even send me personal messages at times. Which kinda freaks me out a bit lol. 

[Guest man]

 

 

I don't mind answering that fez, but first, is that a rhetorical request? And second, I wonder how is it relevant to what I asked. Why would enjoying discussing or even debating politics imply that the people who engage in those things don't understand God's love?

 

I did not say that they don't understand God's Love alpha. I am saying that God's love, and acceptance of it is paramount to our walk as believers. That is what we need to understand.

 

 

Do you possess this understanding?

 

Again do you possess this understanding?

 

[Guest man]

Don't take on stuff like demons, and speculation about demon's (and other darker stuff), until you know what the Love of God really means, because this is the only foundation you can trust when under any attack, spiritual, financial, health wise, etc.

 

And when I ask people to tell me what the Love of God means to them (not their love for God), they can't or will not answer, and instead, as omega so clearly state's, resort to changing the subject, ducking the issue, and getting a little testy....

 

 

Do you know what it really means?

[Hindsfeet]

God's Love does not continue to badger a fellow believer into answering a question, which obviously, he does not want to answer - note: not Cannot answer, Fez - but does not Want to. Being sensitive and discerning is also a fruit of accepting and understanding His Love.

[Sevenseas]

 

Listen, if I knew nothing about demons I would simply write nothing.  Jesus delivered those in darnkness in public.  That way, God always received the glory.

 

One scripture is better than all the hogwash about aliens.  Just one scripture will do more to set a soul free than all the profiling and indoctrination into the world of

secret societies and the illuminati.

 

Scripture damages people?  You have a better way?  Now I know you are treading in dark waters.  But I didn't actually need you to make that statement to know that.

 

I firmly believe that the devil has a plan but God has a better one.

 

I have helped any and all God has seen fit to send my way.  Yes...in the name of Jesus I have cast out demons and helped to set people free...but I prefer they learn to walk

in the light themself rather then feed them pablum and keep them needy.

 

This is not a competition...I cannot set anyone free.  But I know SOMEONE who can and His blood was shed to set the captives free.

 

My heart breaks for those in captivity because I know how it feels.  Bragging rights belong to those who think they know something.

 

I am of the belief that it is better not to tell everyone everything we think we know.  I do not find enlightment in those things...only more darkness

 

Deception always has some truth to it.  There is some truth to all the demon conspiracy theories...the rest is a vortex of lies and deception.

 

Let us walk in the light.

how many people have you held hands with and worked through freeing them from demonic bondage and stayed around mentoring them until they could stand on their own,  until you can say several don't council me about demons.  I didn't bring this subject up.  I'm only trying to tell you just how wrong and destructive your stand on demons is.......

 

 

 

Now that I have some time, let me address your very out of line post other one.

 

The main problem I have with your response, is that you seem to think you have all the 'goods' as though God has particularly chosen you to do something no one else can do

or is doing.

 

That is odd because we are not supposed to boast or even compare ourselves to others.  If you believe yourself faithful in what you believe is a ministry of the Holy Spirit,

then why would you goad someone to defend themselves from your assumptions?

 

Because that, is the way I read your post apart from you seeming to use yourself as the measuring stick from which we all should take a lesson.  

 

Your statement that I should not council you about demons is very misleading.  I object to your alien nation rhetoric and your conspiracy theories that you hold as FACT

and then the way you 'bundle' them and promise help because you are aware of secret information.

 

I have to ask myself, is that what the New Testament teaches?  You know, it just doesn't.  It simply does not.

 

And frankly, I believe that is why you have become seemingly hostile...that and the fact I mentionned that you ASK people to pm or email you...and then you state that I 'give'

them a few verses.   Your perceived ability to do things you think no one else can or has done in Jesus name is more a 'tell' on your own attitude than anything I could

even say or point out.

 

Once again, I don't blab my experience and I am not led to blab my experience.  That, does not allow you to write things such as 'how many hands have I held' or how many

people have I freed from demonic bondage or counselled.

 

Seriously, do you actually believe you alone from those in this forum have done such things or know how to pray?  Do you suppose that perhaps some may even know more

than you and beleive they should not talk about it?

 

I find it odd that you would basically attack my credibility by bragging about what you have done.  I believe that if we are walking in the light, then we are led by the Holy Spirit.

 

If so, then I am led by the Holy Spirit.  If you want to involve yourself in conspiracies and aliens, ufos and the nephilim...that is your perogative.  I object when I see you advising

others to follow that lead.

 

 

 

That, might lead a person to conclude that you believe your personal measuring stick is everyone's measuring stick and quite honeslty, that is exactly how it appears to me.

[Sevenseas]

you might consider the boy who the disciples could not cast the demon out of, what did Jesus say concerning those kind of demons, not every demon jumps out with a single command, some require prayer and fasting, as Jesus instructed 

 

while I don't believe every believer is called to the ministry of casting out demons, Mark attributes it as a sign for those that believe, I would attribute it to a believer that has taken in a little more than bread and milk

 

 

 

Micheal, what has that got to do with naming demons?  Nothing?  Right.  Nothing.  If it is biblical, then I practice it...but not to brag and or boast.  We were talking about naming demons...

 

Demonology is not a ministry and neither is casting out demons although God knows, many have made themself such and refer to themselves as Deliverance ministers.....every Christian 

should understand how to deal with the demonic...no one should be running after a human being who thinks they know all about demons...demons are liars...listen to them long enough

and you will believe you have secret knowledge because the devil comes as an angel of light......

 

Even if all these conspiracy theories were true...and if is the biggest little word in the English language, even IF they were true...the Bible tells us not to delve into such things but to keep our

eyes on Jesus...not be obsessed with demons and their leader.

 

Unfortuneately, many Christians have no idea how to deal with or equip themselves to deal with the evil that exists here.  In fact,  some believe that there is no need to understand or

know such things and so the pendulum swings the other way and we have specialists running around who do any number of odd and harmful things and want to speak to the demons

or think they need some kind of big power show.  

 

You appear to have the idea that because I object to theory and conspiracy being presented as truth, that I know nothing and believe little.  That, would be wrong.

 

I have stated such numerous times and it is either misunderstood or deliberately ignored because it makes someone like me, who prefers to stay balanced and who actually

does understand the harm demons can do, seem as though I have nothing but words that I believe with no action on my part necessary.

 

As I do not write what I know or have experienced, seen or whatever it seems that some think I am ignorant of satans' devices...I am not and that is one reason I button it.  It is better not

to even talk about him...he loves attention and he is getting plenty here.

 

There is only One Name he fears...and is not your name or my name.  It is the name of Jesus Christ, God's only begotten Son and if we accomplish anything in the fight for

freedom that Jesus died that we might have, it is because of Jesus.....not because of esoteric knowledge that we present as a secret weapon.  There is no secret weapon.

 

If someone believes they have secret weapon, then they are deceived.  Everything Jesus did, He did in the light.  He, is the Way, the Truth and the Life...and believe me,

He really is!!!

[Micheal Westin]

 

 

Listen, if I knew nothing about demons I would simply write nothing.  Jesus delivered those in darnkness in public.  That way, God always received the glory.

 

One scripture is better than all the hogwash about aliens.  Just one scripture will do more to set a soul free than all the profiling and indoctrination into the world of

secret societies and the illuminati.

 

Scripture damages people?  You have a better way?  Now I know you are treading in dark waters.  But I didn't actually need you to make that statement to know that.

 

I firmly believe that the devil has a plan but God has a better one.

 

I have helped any and all God has seen fit to send my way.  Yes...in the name of Jesus I have cast out demons and helped to set people free...but I prefer they learn to walk

in the light themself rather then feed them pablum and keep them needy.

 

This is not a competition...I cannot set anyone free.  But I know SOMEONE who can and His blood was shed to set the captives free.

 

My heart breaks for those in captivity because I know how it feels.  Bragging rights belong to those who think they know something.

 

I am of the belief that it is better not to tell everyone everything we think we know.  I do not find enlightment in those things...only more darkness

 

Deception always has some truth to it.  There is some truth to all the demon conspiracy theories...the rest is a vortex of lies and deception.

 

Let us walk in the light.

how many people have you held hands with and worked through freeing them from demonic bondage and stayed around mentoring them until they could stand on their own,  until you can say several don't council me about demons.  I didn't bring this subject up.  I'm only trying to tell you just how wrong and destructive your stand on demons is.......

 

Other One, I don't understand why people are critical of you and what you are doing?  It is obvious to me you are trying to help people, and I find much of the criticisms judgemental.  I also agree with you about possible end time deceptions?  I don't understand why people want to limit the conversation on subjects like this to such a narrow focus?  Demons are real, and there is no question there are deceptions being propagated regarding little grey men from another planet. 

 

As a Christian I know that the bible does not elude to an alien invasion of little grey aliens, and the evidence from even the highest places in government is supporting this story of grey alien beings and others who are working with them, Christians need to get on board and come to the understanding that the only nonhuman lifeforms that the bible teaches comes down to earth from heaven is satan and his fallen angels and there only goal is to deceive and destroy humanity

 

statements made on the house floor are blatant evidence that preparations are being made that show this to be fact

[Guest Butero]

It comes across to me that the reason why Other One has said the things he has is because he is being put on the defensive, having to explain why he does what he does?  He knows he has been helping people, and then he is attacked for it.  He knows he is sharing information he believes can help others, and even goes so far as to counsel them in private, and is then attacked for doing so.  Anyone being placed in that position will react as he has. 

[Sevenseas]

God's Love does not continue to badger a fellow believer into answering a question, which obviously, he does not want to answer - note: not Cannot answer, Fez - but does not Want to. Being sensitive and discerning is also a fruit of accepting and understanding His Love.

 

Jesus asked Peter three times if Peter loved Him.  Was Jesus badgering Peter?

 

I don't know why such a simple question would be ignored.

 

Here is what I think of the love of God.

 

God's love has rescued me from the kingdom of darkness.  God set His eyes upon me before I was born and said "This one is mine!"  I love Him because He first loved me.  He forgives me all

and asks that I too forgive.  He fills my heart as no one else can and for that I know He lives.  God died for me because He loves me.  I cannot fathom His love but I know it is life and light

to all who come to Him.

 

And more....but I guess that is enough.