The Two Witnesses Revelation 11

[Guest man]

please tell me you didn't mean that as an insult......

 

 

Nope.

[other one]

 

please tell me you didn't mean that as an insult......

 

 

Nope.

 

hummmm,

[Littlelambseativy]

Getting back to the 2 witnesses, I believe they will be Moses and Elijah - they are the only 2 men used by God who have stopped the rain from falling etc.

[Guest man]

 

 

please tell me you didn't mean that as an insult......

 

 

Nope.

 

hummmm,

 

 

 

Why do you believe what I said was intended to be an insult? Please explain.

[John 1-17]

God has been guiding the universe and us since the beginning of time. While the Bible is Gods word and tells us how to live the advancement of science has also been under Gods guidance, the great thinkers such as Newton and Einstein developed their theories under the guidance of God even if they did not realise it.

You may insult all you like, its not unexpected. I am not going against scripture, despite what people seem to think, I just have a deeper understanding of Gods purpose.

As the book of Revelation plays out so God will reveal himself, if I am to be part of that then so be it, it will happen as and when God decides.

[Guest man]

God has been guiding the universe and us since the beginning of time. While the Bible is Gods word and tells us how to live the advancement of science has also been under Gods guidance, the great thinkers such as Newton and Einstein developed their theories under the guidance of God even if they did not realise it.

You may insult all you like, its not unexpected. I am not going against scripture, despite what people seem to think, I just have a deeper understanding of Gods purpose.

As the book of Revelation plays out so God will reveal himself, if I am to be part of that then so be it, it will happen as and when God decides.

 

 

Do you believe you're a prophet?

[enoob57]

Although fire coming out of their mouths reminds me of His word in them

 

Only because the LORD says,

 

Jerm 23:29 Is not my word like as a fire? saith the LORD

 

And likewise here

 

Jerm 5:14 Wherefore thus saith the LORD God of hosts, Because ye speak this word, behold, I will make my words in thy mouth fire, and this people wood, and it shall devour them.

 

And then we see here...

 

Rev 11:5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

 

Slain here means killed (even in this manner)

 

Hosea 6:5 Therefore have I hewed them by the prophets; I have slain them by the words of my mouth: and thy judgments are as the light that goeth forth.

this is using Scripture to interpret Scripture an arduous journey but a very probable light upon the meaning!  

[other one]

 

 

 

please tell me you didn't mean that as an insult......

 

 

Nope.

 

hummmm,

 

 

 

Why do you believe what I said was intended to be an insult? Please explain.

 

because of the way it's worded

[Guest man]

 

 

 

 

please tell me you didn't mean that as an insult......

 

 

Nope.

 

hummmm,

 

 

 

Why do you believe what I said was intended to be an insult? Please explain.

 

because of the way it's worded

 

 

 

Well you can rest easy. He hasn't done anything that warrants an insult.

[Guest AFlameOfFire]

 

Although fire coming out of their mouths reminds me of His word in them

 

Only because the LORD says,

 

Jerm 23:29 Is not my word like as a fire? saith the LORD

 

And likewise here

 

Jerm 5:14 Wherefore thus saith the LORD God of hosts, Because ye speak this word, behold, I will make my words in thy mouth fire, and this people wood, and it shall devour them.

 

And then we see here...

 

Rev 11:5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

 

Slain here means killed (even in this manner)

 

Hosea 6:5 Therefore have I hewed them by the prophets; I have slain them by the words of my mouth: and thy judgments are as the light that goeth forth.

this is using Scripture to interpret Scripture an arduous journey but a very probable light upon the meaning!

 

 

 

 

Although fire coming out of their mouths reminds me of His word in them

 

Only because the LORD says,

 

Jerm 23:29 Is not my word like as a fire? saith the LORD

 

And likewise here

 

Jerm 5:14 Wherefore thus saith the LORD God of hosts, Because ye speak this word, behold, I will make my words in thy mouth fire, and this people wood, and it shall devour them.

 

And then we see here...

 

Rev 11:5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

 

Slain here means killed (even in this manner)

 

Hosea 6:5 Therefore have I hewed them by the prophets; I have slain them by the words of my mouth: and thy judgments are as the light that goeth forth.

this is using Scripture to interpret Scripture an arduous journey but a very probable light upon the meaning!

 

 

 

That's what first come to me enoob, because after all our God is a consuming fire, even as His word is a fire. And God also said to Moses to go that He would go with his mouth. Jesus himself said to his disciples, For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.

 

Its not lawful to kill a man, and so it speaks to the actual "manner" those who wish to hurt them must be killed (or slain) even as by the very same He said he has slain (even killed) them by the very words of his mouth.

 

The same concept is shown here

 

Exodus 23:32 But if thou shalt indeed obey his voice, and do all that I speak; then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies, and an adversary unto thine adversaries.

 

And so again, any one who is not against you is on our part, its of any trying to hurt them

 

Rev 11:5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

 

Which speaks to the "actual manner" they must be killed, thus being killed with the words of His mouth 

 

Jerm 5:14 Wherefore thus saith the LORD God of hosts, Because ye speak this word, behold, I will make my words in thy mouth fire, and this people wood, and it shall devour them.

 

They (on the other hand) appear to be killed after another manner (not the first) or so it seems. Perhaps just as the prophets were killed, Jesus was killed and the apostles were likewise killed. After all (even formerly) in one case Jesus tells them how those which killeth you (after such a manner in their case) will think they are doing a service unto God.

 

So maybe the being tormented by these two prophets is showing the peoples inability to endure sound doctrine and find themselves actually tormented by the message? Like speak no more of right things (that sort of thing). Something to consider is all.

 

I mean look at  Nadab and Abihu (the sons of Aaron) they two offered a strange fire before the LORD which he did not command them and they died on the spot. Or look at  James and John who also said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did? Who is one of the two some think its speaking of yet Jesus rebuked them telling them they knew not what manner of spirit they were of. Here they are using Elijah's example (as they understood). So there seems to be an unauthorized (strange fire) and speaking His word which is like a fire. One kills (to destroy mens lives) the other though one can be killed by the same has the power to save mens lives (even though it can get you killed) for speaking it.