For those that believe in the Big Bang, what was there before?

[~candice~]

Mark..... personal opinion only in this.

I would agree that the big bang leaves a lot more questions than answers... however it is possible.

I don't think we can know if there was anything before, because we can't even be sure that all we presently see is the only thing there is. We presume so in most sciences, but we don't seem to be able to understand exactly how it all comes together. We have these constants we have to throw in just to make our math and physics work so we can't really know what is all there. We have hints of other dimensions and energy that spills over into our dimension.

As much as we do know, the answers to your questions are simply not available to our limited view.

and that's "a" gospel according to Sam...

According to Hawkins' latest proposal, time and space itself came into existence at the moment of the big bang. Therefore, there was no "before the big bang".

if he was so smart he'd be able to walk

sam not cool

[~candice~]

Again, read the material I provided. Or answer the question: Why are you asking for information if you're going to ignore it when it's provided?

Sigh

That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: John 1:9-12

The outer Court is an area where we allow anyone who wishes to learn more about our belief to ask questions and learn. http://www.worthychristianforums.com/index.php?app=forums&module=extras&section=boardrules

We Know The Feeling

Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. John 1:13-14

In the end this is another big con job by atheistic origin science.

Go into science class tell them you make something from nothing, they laugh at you.

But a Big Bang (universe) from nothing, no problem. Or maybe something else was there (no answer).

But they do not press this conundrum. Just start at the Big Bang.

or perhaps God created using the big bang?

[Fez]

Again, read the material I provided. Or answer the question: Why are you asking for information if you're going to ignore it when it's provided?

SighThat was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: John 1:9-12

The outer Court is an area where we allow anyone who wishes to learn more about our belief to ask questions and learn. http://www.worthychristianforums.com/index.php?app=forums&module=extras&section=boardrules

We Know The FeelingWhich were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. John 1:13-14

In the end this is another big con job by atheistic origin science.

Go into science class tell them you make something from nothing, they laugh at you.

But a Big Bang (universe) from nothing, no problem. Or maybe something else was there (no answer).

But they do not press this conundrum. Just start at the Big Bang.

or perhaps God created using the big bang?

That's the possibility I best like.

[missmuffet]

As one Christian theologian has stated "I am not necessarily opposed to the Big Bang Theory.Rather,I know who banged it".

[~candice~]

Can someone tell my why biblical Christians ought to object to the big bang?

 

Because I see no reason why it is unbiblical.

 

My bible says "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth."

 

That tells me WHO did it, i.e. who gets the credit. Clearly, the credit belongs to God.

 

Science, in this case the big bang, tells me HOW He did it. i.e. God created via the big bang.

 

So unless there is a biblical case against the big bang, isn't this just a storm in a tea cup for no reason?

[JDavis]

Can someone tell my why biblical Christians ought to object to the big bang?

 

Because I see no reason why it is unbiblical.

 

My bible says "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth."

 

That tells me WHO did it, i.e. who gets the credit. Clearly, the credit belongs to God.

 

Science, in this case the big bang, tells me HOW He did it. i.e. God created via the big bang.

 

So unless there is a biblical case against the big bang, isn't this just a storm in a tea cup for no reason?

 

Candice,

 

 I believe mark gave us the answer to this in a different thread.  I was accused of believing "atheistic" theories.  For some Christians if an atheist believes something, then they feel they have to believe something different.   It is like a badge of honor.

[~candice~]

 

Can someone tell my why biblical Christians ought to object to the big bang?

 

Because I see no reason why it is unbiblical.

 

My bible says "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth."

 

That tells me WHO did it, i.e. who gets the credit. Clearly, the credit belongs to God.

 

Science, in this case the big bang, tells me HOW He did it. i.e. God created via the big bang.

 

So unless there is a biblical case against the big bang, isn't this just a storm in a tea cup for no reason?

 

Candice,

 

 I believe mark gave us the answer to this in a different thread.  I was accused of believing "atheistic" theories.  For some Christians if an atheist believes something, then they feel they have to believe something different.   It is like a badge of honor.

 

 

Ahh yes but it is one giant fallacy of composition.

 

"If an atheist believes it, it must be wrong" is just rubbish. There are a lot of beliefs we share with atheists that are factual. I happen to think the big bang is one of them.

 

The biggest thing I disagree with atheists about is not science, but philosophical naturalism.

[Guest]

Because I see no reason why it is unbiblical.

 

 

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The Recorded Order Of God's Creation Is The Reverse

Of The Order Of The Big Bang Speculation

 

Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever. Psalms 119:160

 

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One

 

And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. Genesis 1:4-5

 

Two

 

And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. Genesis 1:6-8

 

Three

 

And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good. And the evening and the morning were the third day. Genesis 1:11-13

 

Bang

 

And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. And the evening and the morning were the fourth day. Genesis 1:14-19

 

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If The Bang Was True I Wonder Where In This Great Big God-Filled Universe The Point Of Origin Is?

It Should Of Left An Expending Cosmic Arrow Pointing Straight Back To Its Start,  You'd Think

 

He hath made every thing beautiful in his time: also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end. Ecclesiastes 3:11

[Guest]

The biggest thing I disagree with atheists about is not science, but philosophical naturalism....

 

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Amen

 

And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ: Ephesians 3:9

[~candice~]

 

Because I see no reason why it is unbiblical.

 

 

~

 

The Recorded Order Of God's Creation Is The Reverse

Of The Order Of The Big Bang Speculation

 

Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever. Psalms 119:160

 

~

 

One

 

And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. Genesis 1:4-5

 

Two

 

And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. Genesis 1:6-8

 

Three

 

And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good. And the evening and the morning were the third day. Genesis 1:11-13

 

Bang

 

And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. And the evening and the morning were the fourth day. Genesis 1:14-19

 

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If The Bang Was True I Wonder Where In This Great Big God-Filled Universe The Point Of Origin Is?

It Should Of Left An Expending Cosmic Arrow Pointing Straight Back To Its Start,  You'd Think

 

He hath made every thing beautiful in his time: also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end. Ecclesiastes 3:11

 

 

Joe, I don't agree. The big bang has no order. Are you mistaking the BB with something else?

 

We are just talking about a small fraction of a microsecond here. Pico seconds after "the beginning". The BB doesn't cover creation or evolution, it is just a theory of beginnings.

 

So how is it appropriate to compare the biblical timeline for creation in Gen 1 with something that isn't itself a timeline of creation but a very small snapshop of beginnings?