If we get nuked?

[ted]

I submit to you this question.

The question is not--

[Eadora]

Do we have a precognitve defence?

Do we have a defence department that can read minds?

Without a smoking gun.

And without an out right admission of guilt

How are you going to be sure who did it?

Your absolutely right, this war stuff is very complicated to me!

[ted]

How long did it take to figure out who bombed the WTC? The Federal building in OK?, The twin towers back in '93 (94?)? In fact, come to think about it, are there many bombings or terrorist acts against us that we haven't figured out who the guilty party is yet?

Not many that I can think of.

Something like a nuke blast against us is going to be too hard to conceal. Eventually, the guilty will brag, they can't help it. It would be too big of a victory for them.

It won't take much to figure it out. And that's when we act.

No one is suggesting laying out nuclear carpet bombs around the world, Eadora.

We'll know who did it eventually, and then we'll deal with it as nice as we can without causing harm to too many.

When we figured out that Osama was behind the 9/11 attacks and that the Taliban was supporting him, did we bomb all the countries within thousands of miles? No, we contained it to Afghanistan, mostly, and then only certain parts of that country. Most of Afghanistan remained untouched by our bombs, believe it or not.

Do we have a precognitve defence?

Do we have a defence department that can read minds?

Without a smoking gun.

And without an out right admission of guilt

How are you going to be sure who did it?

Your absolutely right, this war stuff is very complicated to me!

Relax. Most of these questions are better saved until it actually happens.

t.

[Catsmeow]

Like you said,in Christianity it says to turn the other cheek, but in Islam it says if you've been oppressed or wrongfully treated, you have the right to fight back.

"Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors" Quran 2:190

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Nazim, my friend...you're not getting the FULL Holy Scripture. The WHOLE bible must be considered..not a part or piece of it.

It's one thing to take a personal insult. What good does it do to argue? God will bless you for taking the moral high ground.

On the other hand, the bible is FULL of wars....and in fact, the scripture says there IS a proper time for all things...a season for all things...a time for war and a time for peace.

If the Muslim Terrorists decide to NUKE our nation....you guess what time it is?

[apothanein kerdos]

Yoh! Friends

[Catsmeow]

When did I ever say anything about giving in to terrorist demands?

If a man is attacking my family, I will defend them, the same goes for my country.

[Eadora]

[Hello Ted:

I quote you

[ted]

Amen, but let me point you towards other terrorist groups. Hezbullah, PLO, etc.., they all claim the bombings they commit in Israel, Egypt, Lebanon, etc. They can't hold back their excitement of doing what they believe to be what their god wants from them and will reward them for. They hide under the banner of a self-imposed pity party and the world, for the most part, soaks it up. You see it on the news all the time; such and such group claimed responsibility for todays terrible bombing-blah, blah.

Think of how they will react if they managed to set off a nuke. They play a game with us. They claim to not be afraid of doing the work of their god and are happy to show themselves in front of the cameras supporting their cause, yet they hide behind masks. Yet, they run from us when confronted. These are not the acts of someone that believes in their cause to the point of truth. These are acts of cowards that are twisted into believing a lie, yet falter at the moment of truth.

A call to their leaders, if they truly believed in their cause, why would they hide? Why are they not the one strapping a bomb to their guts and sitting on the bus?

Because it's all a lie.

I think we might actually agree on this.

My fight is not with the muslims either. If they want to believe in what mohamed wrote down years ago, more power to them. I Pray they will come to Christ.

My fight is with the ones that want to blow us up. That includes non-muslims just as much. I'll be just as passionate about it if the Swedes or Kenyans or Turks hit next. It doesn't matter what they might believe in or their intentions.

It's not an anti-muslim thing for me.

t.

[Eadora]

Yoh TED!

Amen, but let me point you towards other terrorist groups. Hezbullah, PLO, etc.., they all claim the bombings they commit in Israel, Egypt, Lebanon, etc. They can't hold back their excitement of doing what they believe to be what their god wants from them and will reward them for. They hide under the banner of a self-imposed pity party and the world, for the most part, soaks it up. You see it on the news all the time; such and such group claimed responsibility for todays terrible bombing-blah, blah.

Think of how they will react if they managed to set off a nuke. They play a game with us. They claim to not be afraid of doing the work of their god and are happy to show themselves in front of the cameras supporting their cause, yet they hide behind masks. Yet, they run from us when confronted. These are not the acts of someone that believes in their cause to the point of truth. These are acts of cowards that are twisted into believing a lie, yet falter at the moment of truth.

A call to their leaders, if they truly believed in their cause, why would they hide? Why are they not the one strapping a bomb to their guts and sitting on the bus?

Because it's all a lie.

I think we might actually agree on this.

My fight is not with the muslims either. If they want to believe in what mohamed wrote down years ago, more power to them. I Pray they will come to Christ.

My fight is with the ones that want to blow us up. That includes non-muslims just as much. I'll be just as passionate about it if the Swedes or Kenyans or Turks hit next. It doesn't matter what they might believe in or their intentions.

It's not an anti-muslim thing for me.

t.

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Your Words Are Worth Repeat -- AGAIN & AGAIN

Though we may disagree on much! On most all that you have written here ;; and enough to keep your quote in tact WE AGREE UPON.

We owe "NO" man a handshake Who is trying to kill us!

It might be nice to know why? he is trying to Kill us.

But I do not think it right that he should expect my handshake or support for his cause.

No matter how degenerate he may consider me..

What perpetrates such pathology in the human species??? What makes it Happen???

OH! But WE MUST ATTEMPT AN ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION!!!

And, That

Edited January 5, 2005 by Eadora

[M45510G1C]

Odd. Really? What if that same man is hiding in the woods just waiting for you to take a run to the store and leave the homefront just long enough to pick up supplies......so he can come in and rape and murder your wife and little girl?

Then would you just shrug and say, "Oh, I can't chase after that man. He might have innocent family members with him....golly."

Your comment ignores my statement completely, perhaps I should clarify.

If a man attacks my family, and I see him doing so, I will do my best to defend them. If that man died in the attack (whether through his own actions or mine), I would not hunt down his employer, who paid him which enabled him to buy the weapon with which he attacked my family. If he ran, I would not persue. Am I mandated by scripture to hunt and kill any attackers like dogs?

My priority is loving, not seeking vengeance or justice. Where would we be if God's priority concerning his relationship with us was vengeance or justice? I think my family would be better served if the man fled by me staying and tending to their needs, not by pursuing this attacker. As for letting him go, that he might potentially attack my family again, I would leave that in the hands of the Almighty.

Would you fire a gun into a group of innocents to kill someone whom you considered a threat? What if you missed and hit an innocent, would you fire again?

If the answer to these is yes, I most respectfully must suggest that you seek help.

Edited January 7, 2005 by M45510G1C