Gay Christians who choose celibacy.....

[Gandalf]

Simply put, if we think that all the things that have been with us for years and years will suddenly just vanish we are deluded.

 

If one allows certain sinful acts or attitudes to stick around for years and years without allowing the Lord dominion over them, then one is deluded.

So you are now perfect? No wrong thoughts, no dubious desires, no envy, pride ........? I don't think many of us have attained that state!

 

No, I will never be perfect until I finally meet my Jesus face to face.

 

Every born again believer who is serious about their walk with God has the odd wrong thought or has to make an adjustment in their thinking or attitude about one thing or another in life, but when a person has been PLAGUED with perversity----THAT needs to be dealt with swiftly and once and for all! Jesus died for that, and it needs to be GONE. We have our spiritual, mental and physical healing in hand---so we must take hold of what Jesus died to give us, or remain in bondage and at a level that will keep us from having all that God wants us to have.

What about those who are "plagued" with pride or self-righteousness? Are those lesser sins in your eyes? They are often the very sins that we least notice in ourselves.

[Floatingaxe]

 

What about those who are "plagued" with pride or self-righteousness? Are those lesser sins in your eyes? They are often the very sins that we least notice in ourselves.

 

 

I don't know anyone who believes in Jesus Christ who thinks that pride or self-righteousness is good and would even take up for the cause to ensure that self-righteous and prideful attitudes be deemed acceptable. Do you?

 

We are not talking about any other sin but the perversion of homosexuality here. You can start another thread on other sins if you like.

 

Why do you wish to distract from the topic?

[Guest shiloh357]

 

 

 

 

Simply put, if we think that all the things that have been with us for years and years will suddenly just vanish we are deluded.

 

If one allows certain sinful acts or attitudes to stick around for years and years without allowing the Lord dominion over them, then one is deluded.

 

So you are now perfect? No wrong thoughts, no dubious desires, no envy, pride ........? I don't think many of us have attained that state!

 

 

No, I will never be perfect until I finally meet my Jesus face to face.

 

Every born again believer who is serious about their walk with God has the odd wrong thought or has to make an adjustment in their thinking or attitude about one thing or another in life, but when a person has been PLAGUED with perversity----THAT needs to be dealt with swiftly and once and for all! Jesus died for that, and it needs to be GONE. We have our spiritual, mental and physical healing in hand---so we must take hold of what Jesus died to give us, or remain in bondage and at a level that will keep us from having all that God wants us to have.

 

What about those who are "plagued" with pride or self-righteousness? Are those lesser sins in your eyes? They are often the very sins that we least notice in ourselves.

 

We have already told you that we don't think it is lesser in our eyes.  Why do you keep re-introducing the same meaningless red herring argument???  

[MorningGlory]

 

 

Homo acts, homo sin...the defining point here is that one chooses to identify as a __________ Christian.

 

I think it was said earlier, that Gay Christian is an oxymoron; said surely by someone who is not interested in an individual's orientation, at least until they choose to attempt to tack it on in front of Christian. Wadr, at least to all those homos who are not Mr Garrisons, could (you) please take a look at that? You have made a choice, in IDing with the term Gay (which you also are not; my grandmother is gay, and she is married to my grandfather), even though many/most/all are not interested in who you are sleeping with, and are thinking TMI as you are professing this.

 

Am I judging? Nope--you have judged yourself here, verbally or in writing, when you attempt to qualify Christian with anything. I am a sinner, too, and it is not hard to perceive the reason why a homo would strive (strive, strive) so diligently in this area (any protestations that it is for equal rights be damned); to justify their sin, and gain attention for themselves. Self, self, self. I find  the sin of being a homo to be no worse than any other sin; but they do not see a sin at all, in their behavior, celibate or not, and refuse to contemplate that their homoness derives from immaturity, wadr.

 

The sharp decline in those claiming Gay in the older demographic--a time when one typically is considered more secure in themselves, and less likely to "closet" themselves out of fear of their peer's opinions--speaks for me here. In volumes.

 

While I agree with you that a Christian cannot be gay.....I believe it's up to God to decide if those who identify as a 'gay Christian' but choose to remain celibate are repentant.  I also believe that using the term 'homo' is derogatory.  Words DO matter and a demeaning attitude toward those needing deliverance from homosexual thoughts and desires will not, in any way, help them.  I';m positive that some reading this thread, and others, are in that group. That being said; welcome to Worthy. 

 

Ty, and I do not mean to be demeaning of homosexuals in any way. I'm up for any term that does not offend me, like"gay" does--and I'm reminded of all the yack we went through with blacks (or is it African Americans now?), this week's acceptable being unacceptable next week, etc. The fault lies with the one offended, imo. Any term, "gay" included, that describes them, will eventually become non grata.

 

Who doesn't like Big Gay Al? And even Mr Slave at least has self respect. It is to the Mr Garrisons that we pander; and I am sorry for them, truly--I experienced a "belittling" childhood, and wouldn't wish that on anyone. Who among us is perfect? You, as a homosexual, are as good as all the rest; and if you accept Grace, I call you "brother."

 

Okay....honestly, I don't know what you're talking about here.  Mr. Slave?  Would anyone call a black man that????  Words can cut deeper than any knife and it costs us nothing to be respectful toward others even if we totally reject their ideas or orientation. 

[Widor1]

From the article:

 

'These so-called Side B Christians identify as gay and believe it's not sinful to do so. But because they see acting on their orientation as ungodly, they commit to a life of celibacy.'

 

'...and Side Bs, who accept their orientation but commit to celibacy in order to remain in line with anti-homosexuality tenets.'

 

'"Every day, Allen wakes up and looks around, and he sees guys he wants to have sex with — and he doesn't have sex with them because he's following Jesus," the male administrator said. "And every day, I wake up, and I see girls I want to have sex with — and I don’t have sex with them because I’m following Jesus. So, we’re both not getting any because we’re following Jesus."'

 

I'm not sure if calling yourself gay is a sin. On the one hand, God didn't create gay, and it is clear how He feels about that lifestyle. However, if we change the words in the article to say "sinner" instead of "Side B Christians" or "gay", I'm not sure this thread would have continued as long as it has. Whether you believe these men to be brothers, or non believers, how would you talk to them if they were in a room with you? If brothers, encouragement and discipleship; if non believers, evangelism; always with love and grace, showing the heart of Jesus. Whatever the opinion, it is clear to me that the Holy Spirit is convicting them; maybe He's not finished with them yet.

 

1Co 7:32  But I want you to be without care. He who is unmarried cares for the things of the Lord—how he may please the Lord. 

1Co 7:33  But he who is married cares about the things of the world—how he may please his wife. 

 

Rom 12:1  I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, which is your reasonable service. 

Rom 12:2  And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God. 

 

Heb 10:14  For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified.

[GoldenEagle]

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