Gay Christians who choose celibacy.....

[Gandalf]

First one much ask Jesus to forgive and take the desire from them and give them the strength to turn away from their thoughts and desires. On their own they can do nothing Satan has them in his clutch and only Jesus can free them from him.

Do you see this as true of all sin? Including your own? Or does it only apply to homosexual sin?

[Littlelambseativy]

 

First one much ask Jesus to forgive and take the desire from them and give them the strength to turn away from their thoughts and desires. On their own they can do nothing Satan has them in his clutch and only Jesus can free them from him.

Do you see this as true of all sin? Including your own? Or does it only apply to homosexual sin?

 

Absolutely. We are all dependant on Jesus and His forgiveness. I have no strength on my own I totally depend on Jesus otherwise I fall as does everyone and if anyone says otherwise they are fooling themselves.

[Gandalf]

 

 

First one much ask Jesus to forgive and take the desire from them and give them the strength to turn away from their thoughts and desires. On their own they can do nothing Satan has them in his clutch and only Jesus can free them from him.

Do you see this as true of all sin? Including your own? Or does it only apply to homosexual sin?

 

Absolutely. We are all dependant on Jesus and His forgiveness. I have no strength on my own I totally depend on Jesus otherwise I fall as does everyone and if anyone says otherwise they are fooling themselves.

 

Thanks, I fully agree.

[MorningGlory]

 

 

you can't control what you think about? you don't have the ability to say to yourself thats a bad thought and shake it from your mind?

 

I think you have every ability to decide what you let your mind think about, everyone does

 

and thankyou for the welcome, this is an interesting site

 

You're welcome.  As for having the ability to rid one's mind of thoughts?  Some people CAN do just that.  But you have to understand that not everyone can; that's just naive.   Homosexuality is just another way that satan tries to kill off the human race; no procreation and AIDS are two of his weapons.  Once that stuff is embedded in a person's mind...it's very hard to turn it off.

[Floatingaxe]

 

 

 

I agree with you, the thoughts are just as sinful as the acts, I would hope a homosexual would go all the way with not just giving up the actions but give up the homosexual thoughts as well

 

much like your anology of wanting to kill someone, as a Christian we have to give up hateful thoughts as well

 

 

I think we ALL know that you can't just 'give up' thoughts and tendencies.  It needs to be laid at His feet and requires a lot of prayer.  None of us are in a position to judge these people or to know how God views the whole thing.  Oh....and welcome to Worthy. 

 

 

 

 

you can't control what you think about? you don't have the ability to say to yourself thats a bad thought and shake it from your mind?

 

I think you have every ability to decide what you let your mind think about, everyone does

 

 

 

and thankyou for the welcome, this is an interesting site

 

 

 

Amen, I agree!

 

Do people not get it that we are admonished to renew our minds? Do they not understand that "Behold, I make all things new!" means that we are made NEW creations in Christ Jesus?

 

There is just that kind of power in the blood...praise Jesus!

[~candice~]

 

 

 

We can know exactly how God sees them, His word is clear on the matter and they are NOT Christians.   They are not avoiding unnatural desires at all.  They don't see the deisres as sinful and they are NOT following God.  They divorce the desire from the action motivated by it.  They are only trying to be celibate. to avoid the physical act.  But since they are not Christians (due to their refusal to repent of homosexuality) their act of ceibacy is basically a useless and futile practice.

 

 

How do you know they have not repented and asked God to deliver them?  I understand your point here, Shiloh, but making it assumes a lot that none of US can be sure of.  I think a lot of these people want to be good Christians but ridding themselves of the desire for the same sex requires throwing themselves on His mercy.                         

 

 

 

They have not repented because they don't see homosexuality as a sin.  They, like others view it as an orientation.  If it is an orientation, then they can't help being gay any more than an African American help being black.   So, from their vantage point it is something they are born with and thus not a sin. Ergo they are not repentant of it.

 

If they wanted to be Christians, they would be willing to accept God's assessment of their sin and repent of it.  Wanting to be a "good Christian" doesn't equate with being a genuine follower of Jesus.  There is form of Chrsitianity that doesn't have Christ in it. and there are many "good Christians" who wear the title, but have never truly given their hearts to Jesus.  They have religion, but they have no part in Christ.

 

 

I don't think that is fair Shiloh. Not all people who struggle against a temptation are refusing to repent from it. 

 

Replace for one moment, homosexuality with gluttony. Gluttons can be Christians, can repent of their sin, and hate it, and yet still experience temptation. 

 

Why is that any different?

[Guest shiloh357]

 

 

 

 

We can know exactly how God sees them, His word is clear on the matter and they are NOT Christians.   They are not avoiding unnatural desires at all.  They don't see the deisres as sinful and they are NOT following God.  They divorce the desire from the action motivated by it.  They are only trying to be celibate. to avoid the physical act.  But since they are not Christians (due to their refusal to repent of homosexuality) their act of ceibacy is basically a useless and futile practice.

 

 

How do you know they have not repented and asked God to deliver them?  I understand your point here, Shiloh, but making it assumes a lot that none of US can be sure of.  I think a lot of these people want to be good Christians but ridding themselves of the desire for the same sex requires throwing themselves on His mercy.                         

 

 

 

They have not repented because they don't see homosexuality as a sin.  They, like others view it as an orientation.  If it is an orientation, then they can't help being gay any more than an African American help being black.   So, from their vantage point it is something they are born with and thus not a sin. Ergo they are not repentant of it.

 

If they wanted to be Christians, they would be willing to accept God's assessment of their sin and repent of it.  Wanting to be a "good Christian" doesn't equate with being a genuine follower of Jesus.  There is form of Chrsitianity that doesn't have Christ in it. and there are many "good Christians" who wear the title, but have never truly given their hearts to Jesus.  They have religion, but they have no part in Christ.

 

 

I don't think that is fair Shiloh. Not all people who struggle against a temptation are refusing to repent from it. 

 

Replace for one moment, homosexuality with gluttony. Gluttons can be Christians, can repent of their sin, and hate it, and yet still experience temptation. 

 

Why is that any different?

 

 

When  did I say it was different?   I have said ad nauseum in this thread that I are not singling one sin as greater than another. 

 

Struggling against temptation is rooted in a repentant heart.  The hallmark of repentance is that you abandon sin in terms of both the physical act, and the heartfelt desires that prompt the act.   A glutton, a liar, an adulterer, etc.  any person who doesn't see their sin as sin has a real problem and needs to re-examine the authenticity of their profession of faith.  I am not talking about a person who is tempted but struggles and fights against it and recognizes and agrees with God's assessment of their sin.  The problem is with those who reject God's assessment of their sin and feel that they have nothing to repent of.

 

I am not talking about people who understand that their sinful desires are sinful.   That is not the case with the people in the OP.   They don't see homosexuality as a sin.  They see it as an orientation they were born with.    The problem is that their theology is wrong.  They divorce the desires from the act, and the Bible doesn't do that.   From their vantage point, the "sin" is only in acting on the desire.

 

My point in this entire thread has been that they are involved an egregious theological error, thinking that they don't have to repent because they don't feel that their homosexuality is a sin.  They are only fooling themselves that they are beleivers.  If they were truly believers, they would repent of every vestige of their sinful lifestyle.

[Guest man]

How can someone repent of a sin if they don't realize what they're dong is a sin?

 

 

Instead of pointing fingers, a solution should sought to bridge the gap.

[MorningGlory]

 

My point in this entire thread has been that they are involved an egregious theological error, thinking that they don't have to repent because they don't feel that their homosexuality is a sin.  They are only fooling themselves that they are beleivers.  If they were truly believers, they would repent of every vestige of their sinful lifestyle.

 

If they didn't believe their desires were sinful, why would they decide to abstain from acting on them? 

[Guest shiloh357]

How can someone repent of a sin if they don't realize what they're dong is a sin?

 

 

  My point, exactly.

 

Instead of pointing fingers, a solution should sought to bridge the gap.

 

What gap?  There is no bridge to gap.  The problem is that the Bible says that homosexuality is a sin (as opposed to an orientation).   But the group in the OP refuses to accept God's assessment of their sin.  All we are responsible for is presenting the truth.  What they do with the truth is between them and God.