Gay Christians who choose celibacy.....

[~candice~]

When we love the Lord, we have a prayer deep within us that cries "make my desires, Your desires, Lord". It is not of God to cherish desires that are in conflict with His desires. So we pray,
 

Psalm 51:10
Create in me a clean heart, O God, And renew a steadfast spirit within me.

 

I don't know what more we can ask than for ANYONE, regardless of their particular temptations, to repent of their sins, and to pray for their desires and actions and beliefs to come in line with His.

[enoob57]

When we love the Lord, we have a prayer deep within us that cries "make my desires, Your desires, Lord". It is not of God to cherish desires that are in conflict with His desires. So we pray,

 

Psalm 51:10

Create in me a clean heart, O God, And renew a steadfast spirit within me.

 

I don't know what more we can ask than for ANYONE, regardless of their particular temptations, to repent of their sins, and to pray for their desires and actions and beliefs to come in line with His.

adding my little soul to this one

[Littlelambseativy]

There is no "orientation". God who is good, who created man/woman, did not create anything bad. Sin entered through Adam and now man who no longer wants responsibility for the "choices" he makes calls it "orientation" - sin. Man when born is not created to be a homosexual - it is a choice that one makes and as a choice must answer to Almighty God for that choice. It is sin unless he repents and asks for forgiveness and turns from that sin will enter eternity separated from the God of love. Try and paint it anyway one wants but sin is sin and it leads to separation from God who hates it.

[Guest shiloh357]

 

 

 

 Your premise IS that they are repentant, when nothing in the article indicates they are.  So yes, it is your premise. They don't see being gay as a sin.  They see it as a "orientation" they are born with.   They are not repentant for being gay.  How can they repent of something they don't see as a sin??

 

What really surprise me is that you, of all people, would cave in to the liberal notion that one can be gay and be a Christian.   I would not have guessed that you could be into such unbiblical notions like that.

 

 

 

I think you misunderstand me, Shiloh.  I haven't caved to anything and I don't buy into liberal, unbiblical ideas at all.  I'm saying we don't know if they have repented or how God sees them.  Homosexuality is a sin, this I believe.  Remaining celibate and avoiding acting on unnatural desires is an area that most of us are unfamiliar with. 

 

 

I am not misunderstanding anything at all.   You claimed that they are repentant earlier in the thread.  For example, you said:

 

 

We know that God forbids homosexuality. I believe He would show mercy for those with that desire if they choose to not act upon it though. In the end, we will know for sure but for right now I think we should pray these people stay repentant and follow God.

 

 

 

 

We can know exactly how God sees them, His word is clear on the matter and they are NOT Christians.   They are not avoiding unnatural desires at all.  They don't see the deisres as sinful and they are NOT following God.  They divorce the desire from the action motivated by it.  They are only trying to be celibate. to avoid the physical act.  But since they are not Christians (due to their refusal to repent of homosexuality) their act of ceibacy is basically a useless and futile practice.

[MorningGlory]

 

We can know exactly how God sees them, His word is clear on the matter and they are NOT Christians.   They are not avoiding unnatural desires at all.  They don't see the deisres as sinful and they are NOT following God.  They divorce the desire from the action motivated by it.  They are only trying to be celibate. to avoid the physical act.  But since they are not Christians (due to their refusal to repent of homosexuality) their act of ceibacy is basically a useless and futile practice.

 

 

How do you know they have not repented and asked God to deliver them?  I understand your point here, Shiloh, but making it assumes a lot that none of US can be sure of.  I think a lot of these people want to be good Christians but ridding themselves of the desire for the same sex requires throwing themselves on His mercy.                         

 

[Guest shiloh357]

 

 

We can know exactly how God sees them, His word is clear on the matter and they are NOT Christians.   They are not avoiding unnatural desires at all.  They don't see the deisres as sinful and they are NOT following God.  They divorce the desire from the action motivated by it.  They are only trying to be celibate. to avoid the physical act.  But since they are not Christians (due to their refusal to repent of homosexuality) their act of ceibacy is basically a useless and futile practice.

 

 

How do you know they have not repented and asked God to deliver them?  I understand your point here, Shiloh, but making it assumes a lot that none of US can be sure of.  I think a lot of these people want to be good Christians but ridding themselves of the desire for the same sex requires throwing themselves on His mercy.                         

 

 

 

They have not repented because they don't see homosexuality as a sin.  They, like others view it as an orientation.  If it is an orientation, then they can't help being gay any more than an African American help being black.   So, from their vantage point it is something they are born with and thus not a sin. Ergo they are not repentant of it.

 

If they wanted to be Christians, they would be willing to accept God's assessment of their sin and repent of it.  Wanting to be a "good Christian" doesn't equate with being a genuine follower of Jesus.  There is form of Chrsitianity that doesn't have Christ in it. and there are many "good Christians" who wear the title, but have never truly given their hearts to Jesus.  They have religion, but they have no part in Christ.

[Gandalf]

 

When we love the Lord, we have a prayer deep within us that cries "make my desires, Your desires, Lord". It is not of God to cherish desires that are in conflict with His desires. So we pray,

 

Psalm 51:10

Create in me a clean heart, O God, And renew a steadfast spirit within me.

 

I don't know what more we can ask than for ANYONE, regardless of their particular temptations, to repent of their sins, and to pray for their desires and actions and beliefs to come in line with His.

adding my little soul to this one

 

And mine. Lets not slip into implying that homosexual sin is worse than the ones we ourselves commit!

[Littlelambseativy]

The thing is they cannot leave the choice they make on their own - they will return to it. It is only with the might and strength of Jesus and that only comes with repentance that they can leave it and never return - just like an alcoholic or drug addict. All is possible with God cleansed and no attraction if the life is given to God. God is more powerful than the attraction.

[Littlelambseativy]

First one much ask Jesus to forgive and take the desire from them and give them the strength to turn away from their thoughts and desires. On their own they can do nothing Satan has them in his clutch and only Jesus can free them from him.

[Guest shiloh357]

 

 

When we love the Lord, we have a prayer deep within us that cries "make my desires, Your desires, Lord". It is not of God to cherish desires that are in conflict with His desires. So we pray,

 

Psalm 51:10

Create in me a clean heart, O God, And renew a steadfast spirit within me.

 

I don't know what more we can ask than for ANYONE, regardless of their particular temptations, to repent of their sins, and to pray for their desires and actions and beliefs to come in line with His.

adding my little soul to this one

 

And mine. Lets not slip into implying that homosexual sin is worse than the ones we ourselves commit!

 

No one is doing that and you know it.  It has been made abundantly clear to you that we are acting like homosexuals are worse sinners than any other kind of sinner.  We are not claiming that homosexuality is worse than any other sin.   You keep returning to that same old canard when you don't have anything meaningful to contribute to the discussion.