speaking in tounges

[StinaW]

If your interested in learning more about praying in tongues I highly suggest a friends website: www.alelujah.com and www.maiciah.com.

He is a pastor in Canada that teaches on Praying in the Spirit and he is really in tune with the Lord..

Be Blessed!

God Bless!

[allofgrace]

There may be a problem here with semantics...one person says something one way meaning something and another person would

not say that same thing in that way, so they 'read' it differently

I go by what scripture says regarding power and I know that is where the concept comes from. Let's not discuss abuse or even see

this through our own eyes. What does scripture state?

Here's an example:

But you, dear friends, build yourselves up in your most holy faith and pray in the Holy Spirit. Keep yourselves in God's love as you

wait for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to bring you eternal life. Jude 20

So some here will say that praying in the Holy Spirit means praying in tongues and of course others will see that as wrong

and say that those who say it means tongues are wrong and it means in English (or whatever your normal language is)

because you cannot pray in tongues etc and it goes back and forth

Actually, I think it means both. BUT it definately means to pray IN the Holy Spirit which is ALWAYS IN the will of God

There is another option, praying in the Spirit means to pray in accordance with what He has shown us in scripture, this is the will of God in written form. That is why John said in 6:63 it is the Spirit that quickens the flesh profits nothing the words that I speak to you are spirit and they are life. It is the word of God that does not return unto Him void. The whole purpose of studying to show yourself approved unto God. And be not conformed to this world but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. The word is a lamp unto my feet and a light to my path. It has nothing to do with praying in a language that you don't understand. It would be very nice if these that say they go around praying in this unknown language would record what they say and then give it to different people who claim to have the gift of interpretation and see if they each gave the same interpretation, that would help verify what is actually being said. I have heard of that happening and none of the interpretation were the same. But that did not convince those that spoke in tongues either.

Romans 8 26,27 In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groans that words cannot express.27And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints in accordance with God’s will.

I think the Bible is pretty clear here that no matter what language you pray in, the Holy Spirit should be helping you in your weakness

because you actually do NOT know all of the will of God or all the will of God for you . You cannot contradict that. Scripture

states that the HOLY SPIRIT is to help you in YOUR weakness.

Those verses there in Romans say the Holy Spirit makes intercession for us with groans that cannot be uttered so how is it that one prays in those sounds that can be uttered when they say it is the Holy Spirit which is praying through them?

I for one, know I need POWER to live for Christ and that comes from the Holy Spirit. It has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with making

a show or elevating oneself.

Jesus said this to the disciples:So when they met together, they asked him, “Lord, are you at this time going to restore the kingdom to Israel?”

7He said to them: “It is not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by his own authority. 8But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.” .. Acts 1

Apparently, the disciples did not have this power BEFORE the Holy Spirit came upon them (Acts and beyond)

Jesus said that He can do nothing of Himself and I conclude that neither can we. We NEED the Holy Spirit but you still have

the option of saying no. You will still be sealed with the Holy Spirit but He will not operate in your life in the same manner

as someone who is baptized in the Holy Spirit

Then how do we have those mentioned in the 11th chapter of Hebrews if there was no power before Pentecost? The verse in Acts 1:8 But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.” This power was and is for the purpose of witnessing about Jesus and the gospel to all the world. He gave the 70 and also the Apostle the abilities to heal the sick and gave them at Pentecost the ability to speak languages that they had never learned and as a testimony in chapter 10 and 19.

Jesus gives the same commission about the gospel in Matt 29:19-20 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen. That power to witness is the Holy Spirit working through the word of God which accomplishes that for which it is sent forth and prosper where He sends it to prosper.

God can and does 'use' people who are not speaking in tongues...Paul states he speaks in tongues more than anyone..

you have a choice...I don't see this as a head banger

But there is no proof that he is here talking about any thing other than a language which others understood. It also does not tells us that he also did not have the gift of understanding what he was saying, he could have spoken and understood many languages.

For the record, some of the most obnoxious people I have met in my journey through life are people who speak in tongues

and have no love. Oh yeah.,..they exist. Over emotionalism...where nothing is checked against the word and anything goes

helps no one either

The only One who should rule in your heart is Jesus Christ as Lord. As scripture states, let no man deceive you...and while

that is a specific application, I do believe we can see that as a general application.

Weeds grow where they will.....wheat grows where God plants it

[allofgrace]

I think there is a split, yes. Most all do believe in the redemptive Work and teaching ability of the Holy Spirit. The only difference is Group A shuns away from having to believe something past getting someone saved. If we believe in the Gifts also, then just as someone gave their life to Jesus, we now must have faith, that people get healed, or people get set free of drugs. Talking to a Baptist Pastor he told me once someone starts doing Meth, then there is nothing that can be done for them. That was his experience as he did not consider the fact that there is power to deliver. That don't make him a bad Pastor, it just limits what he is able to do for the Lord.

I have not seen anyone state what you say here except what you claim, go back and copy where most say that would help. Nevertheless, if one does say that salvation is the chief reason of rejoicing they are in good company: Luke 10:19-20 And He(Jesus) said to them, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. 19 Behold, I give you the authority to trample on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall by any means hurt you. 20 Nevertheless do not rejoice in this, that the spirits are subject to you, but rather rejoice because your names are written in heaven.” And as Paul said, again I say rejoice. AMEN :clap:

Edited January 2, 2013 by allofgrace

[Sevenseas]

all of grace...you don't believe in the gifts. period

Nothing more to say. if someone else wants to bicker with you, let them. I think we have gone beyond that as you, IMO,

prefer to negate from your own perspective rather than search for truth in scripture

It would be interesting to see a positive post from you for once where you agree with someone instead of changing what

they actually stated to prove what you think is more sound than what is stated in the Word

As an example of why I have decided to forego the pleasure, here is a typical twist from what was actually said, to how

you totally make appear to be something else

Then how do we have those mentioned in the 11th chapter of Hebrews if there was no power before Pentecost?

I never said there was no power before Pentecost. You seem very very intent in hiding the truth in a blanket of your own making

ALL power from the Holy Spirit issues from God. I never stated there was no power...YOU are trying to make it seem that way

I posted the words of Christ Himself talking to the disciples and telling them to wait for the Holy Spirit as that is when they

would receive power to be a witness for Him.

Jesus said this to the disciples:So when they met together, they asked him, “Lord, are you at this time going to restore the kingdom to Israel?”

7He said to them: “It is not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by his own authority. 8But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.” .. Acts 1

You totally ignore that verse from the Bible and try to make it seem like I said there was no power available

I find that typical of how you respond. It's churlish and disrespectful and indicates a desire to nit pick, and show yourself right

especially in the evidence of anything contrary to your own theories

I'm done with it...I do not find you sincere other than in your attempt to belittle what another treasures and indeed,

the Holy Spirit is a treasure in THIS earthen vessel

[allofgrace]

all of grace...you don't believe in the gifts. period

Nothing more to say. if someone else wants to bicker with you, let them. I think we have gone beyond that as you, IMO,

prefer to negate from your own perspective rather than search for truth in scripture

It would be interesting to see a positive post from you for once where you agree with someone instead of changing what

they actually stated to prove what you think is more sound than what is stated in the Word

As an example of why I have decided to forego the pleasure, here is a typical twist from what was actually said, to how

you totally make appear to be something else

Then how do we have those mentioned in the 11th chapter of Hebrews if there was no power before Pentecost?

I never said there was no power before Pentecost. You seem very very intent in hiding the truth in a blanket of your own making

ALL power from the Holy Spirit issues from God. I never stated there was no power...YOU are trying to make it seem that way

I posted the words of Christ Himself talking to the disciples and telling them to wait for the Holy Spirit as that is when they

would receive power to be a witness for Him.

Jesus said this to the disciples:So when they met together, they asked him, “Lord, are you at this time going to restore the kingdom to Israel?”

7He said to them: “It is not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by his own authority. 8But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.” .. Acts 1

You totally ignore that verse from the Bible and try to make it seem like I said there was no power available

And here is why I posted what you said from the post that I answered:

I for one, know I need POWER to live for Christ and that comes from the Holy Spirit. It has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with making

a show or elevating oneself.

Jesus said this to the disciples:So when they met together, they asked him, “Lord, are you at this time going to restore the kingdom to Israel?”

7He said to them: “It is not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by his own authority. 8But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.” .. Acts 1

Apparently, the disciples did not have this power BEFORE the Holy Spirit came upon them (Acts and beyond)

One can see by this last statement you made why I would have responded as I did. I do agree to disagree.

[Sevenseas]

StinaW

If your interested in learning more about praying in tongues I highly suggest a friends website: www.alelujah.com and www.maiciah.com.

He is a pastor in Canada that teaches on Praying in the Spirit and he is really in tune with the Lord..

If they will not take heed here, they will not go there.

Seavenseas:

I find that typical of how you respond. It's churlish and disrespectful and indicates a desire to nit pick, and show yourself right

especially in the evidence of anything contrary to your own theories

I'm done with it...I do not find you sincere other than in your attempt to belittle what another treasures and indeed,

the Holy Spirit is a treasure in THIS earthen vessel

I thought Allofgrace more teachable, wanting what he has yet obtained. I misjudged. My Hope is that Steven see what he did not see in all this, go after what is there.

Jesus Is Lord.

Well actually Mike, that was my experience. Someone else might have a better one I do take notice though, when someone goes out of there way

to respond to someone else in a manner that does not actually refer to what is posted but rather in a way to undermine what is posted.

I have been asked if I get angry or perhaps become emotionally involved when the particular gift of tongues is being discussed by someone who does

not receive what scripture states as being valid for today. I used to...when I first encountered such...not angry, but concerned and wanting the doubter

to have the same experience and the fullness of what is promised to the believer according to the text.

But I honestly do not have much of an emotional reaction these days...it's more like.....well, you know, you are disputing scripture and here is what

is actually stated. I try to keep things honest and I have this notion that it helps the conversation.

[Sevenseas]

Apparently, the disciples did not have this power BEFORE the Holy Spirit came upon them (Acts and beyond)

One can see by this last statement you made why I would have responded as I did. I do agree to disagree.

No, there is no such thing to see. Jesus is the One who stated they would have power and that is the power you receive when

you are baptized in the Holy Spirit.

This is not my doing and not my choice of words. It is the Lord's doing and HIS choice of words.

But truly, let someone else take this up if they want...or, you can just read it in the Bible yourself.

[NeedYouLord]

And Lord Thank You...For You Are Alive!!! Raised from the dead...and Alive!!! You do not change...You are the same yesterday, today and forever...and for that I'm very grateful...When I was unsaved, I needed desparately something or Someone that was Constant...I found Everything I Ever Needed in You, Jesus!!! In You Alone...I know we need other people etc. etc. but under the most profound circumstances I have kept my eyes on Jesus...and He has provided every need...every need...I'm in Awe!!!

And I Thank You Lord That Your Word Is True...Every Word...and I suppose this is the place to say this: It's been bouncing around...Time to capture that thing...

I wondered about Preachers and How They Could Say The Things They Said...And do the things they did...It was like they had Something or Someone... I didn't have...I didn't know...and I wanted it real real real bad...But keep in mind...I was listening to Preachers that walked in the Anointing...and believed in Healing...and I looked around at all the sick folk...and then my daddy called me...The call that changed my life...I went after The Anointing and The Healer With a Reckless Abandon...With Everything In Me...and found out The Truth...It is for Today!!! For Jesus Is The Same Yesterday, Today and Forever!!! Today...He is The Same as He Was Yesterday...

Remember I was 28 when I was saved and had been to maybe one Vacation Bible Class when I was 12...so not really raised in church at all period...Whew...Ok...I agree...Not all believe...I won't defend it anymore...I've walked in it...Exactly what The Bible says we can have...Paid a Price...and still paying the price...surrendering all...but believing this verse with everything in me:

1John 2:6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.

Where did He walk? He healed the sick...He cast out devils...etc. etc.

I wanted not just what The Preachers had...but where and as my Jesus walked...To walk as my Jesus walked...How do I get that? There are too many sick folk that can't afford what it costs in money to get well...And there will come a day when Jesus and His Healing Will Be What Will Be Needed...Already is really...Have I ever laid hands on someone for healing and they were healed...Yes!!! Only after having the experience of a lifetime that was real and Divine...God still sends His Holy Spirit To Baptise us...If we want it and if we go to any length to get it...I'm not special...God saw my heart...

[enoob57]

I have been asked if I get angry or perhaps become emotionally involved when the particular gift of tongues is being discussed by someone who does

not receive what scripture states as being valid for today. I used to...when I first encountered such...not angry, but concerned and wanting the doubter

to have the same experience and the fullness of what is promised to the believer according to the text.

This is the heart of why I do not seek this ... what the Bible teaches is that we instill the Word of God in our hearts by the power of the Holy Spirit

so that all that we know in this corporeal exist -when done away with ... we will miss nothing as everything His Word has formed in us moves us into the

eternal reality where everything will be different and so vastly different that God says 'do not love the world NOR the things in the world'... this is the

narrowest path of all for it requires us to experience all this as a separate identity from Him as it is passing away and His Word does not! Do not place

your hearts upon that which passes away; that which ends... it is unwise! For faith is substanced from His Word alone into a hope of that which is yet

unseen-> this is what we take with us as the trouble in the day is trying to remove it from us... a constant grinding to focus upon the temporary instead

of the eternal... the first seat in our hearts must contain the eternal Presence of God and that which He intends to keep forever all else is suspect to lie

for it is not forever.... Love, Steven

[Sevenseas]

I have no idea what you are saying here Steven...sorry, I really do not. and since you quoted me, I would

like to understand

Thanks