Do you believe in hell as an eternal torment?

[He giveth more grace]

Spirits cannot die.

Since angels are just spirits they cannot be redeemed. That's why their belief in Christ makes no difference about their eternal destination once the eternal spirits sin.

Humanity can be redeemed because we can die in the flesh. Human beings are not just flesh. We have spirits in our bodies. When the bodies of unbelievers are burned up in the lake of fire (the second death) their spirits will continue on in that place. And from Luke 16:19-31 we can deduce spirits can feel pain. So, yes there is an eternal condemnation for unbelieving spirits and fallen angelic spirits. The Bible says so.

Hellow! ...and welcome to the board, I don't beleive that we had interaction with one another. Permit me to differ a little, the angels that followed Lucifer does not have the possiblity of forgiveness because they were knew the Most High face to face yet beleived Lucifer could disthrone him and God did not prssent to the Angels a salvation plan, Christ did not died and became their subsitude, they have no one to bear their sins away. My view.

[JohnnyIMdoc]

Spirits cannot die.

Since angels are just spirits they cannot be redeemed. That's why their belief in Christ makes no difference about their eternal destination once the eternal spirits sin.

Humanity can be redeemed because we can die in the flesh. Human beings are not just flesh. We have spirits in our bodies. When the bodies of unbelievers are burned up in the lake of fire (the second death) their spirits will continue on in that place. And from Luke 16:19-31 we can deduce spirits can feel pain. So, yes there is an eternal condemnation for unbelieving spirits and fallen angelic spirits. The Bible says so.

Hellow! ...and welcome to the board, I don't beleive that we had interaction with one another. Permit me to differ a little, the angels that followed Lucifer does not have the possiblity of forgiveness because they were knew the Most High face to face yet beleived Lucifer could disthrone him and God did not prssent to the Angels a salvation plan, Christ did not died and became their subsitude, they have no one to bear their sins away. My view.

Yea, what he said! (but with spellcheck) lol

[gdemoss]

For clarity: Angels cannot die a physical death as they are spirits but they will die the second death which is the lake of fire.

[childeye]

There is much ambiguity concerning the words hell and salvation. We know that God is a consuming fire and and we see that His fire is different than the fire we are familiar with, for in one place in the bible two men try to put what was termed "a strange fire" upon the altar and they were consumed instantly. We see glorified Jesus with eyes like flames and and feet like glowing bronze as if they were in a furnace.

We also see in srcipture, God in the form of a burning bush that was burning yet not consumed. It is quite plausible therefore, that the fire is the Truth of God and the torment is to forever be seeking but never coming to the knowledge of the Truth of His Holiness.

[He giveth more grace]

Spirits cannot die.

Since angels are just spirits they cannot be redeemed. That's why their belief in Christ makes no difference about their eternal destination once the eternal spirits sin.

Humanity can be redeemed because we can die in the flesh. Human beings are not just flesh. We have spirits in our bodies. When the bodies of unbelievers are burned up in the lake of fire (the second death) their spirits will continue on in that place. And from Luke 16:19-31 we can deduce spirits can feel pain. So, yes there is an eternal condemnation for unbelieving spirits and fallen angelic spirits. The Bible says so.

Hellow! ...and welcome to the board, I don't believe that we had interaction with one another. Permit me to differ a little, the angels that followed Lucifer does not have the possibility of forgiveness because they were knew the Most High face to face yet believed Lucifer could dethrone him and God did not present to the Angels a salvation plan, Christ did not died and became their substitute, they have no one to bear their sins away. My view.

Yea, what he said! (but with spellcheck) lol

Oh no you did-dent!

There is much ambiguity concerning the words hell and salvation. We know that God is a consuming fire and and we see that His fire is different than the fire we are familiar with, for in one place in the bible two men try to put what was termed "a strange fire" upon the altar and they were consumed instantly. We see glorified Jesus with eyes like flames and and feet like glowing bronze as if they were in a furnace.

We also see in srcipture, God in the form of a burning bush that was burning yet not consumed. It is quite plausible therefore, that the fire is the Truth of God and the torment is to forever be seeking but never coming to the knowledge of the Truth of His Holiness.

The strange fire is simply fire taken elsewhere than the brass Altar of burn sacrifice, say taken from the camp.

[childeye]

Spirits cannot die.

Since angels are just spirits they cannot be redeemed. That's why their belief in Christ makes no difference about their eternal destination once the eternal spirits sin.

Humanity can be redeemed because we can die in the flesh. Human beings are not just flesh. We have spirits in our bodies. When the bodies of unbelievers are burned up in the lake of fire (the second death) their spirits will continue on in that place. And from Luke 16:19-31 we can deduce spirits can feel pain. So, yes there is an eternal condemnation for unbelieving spirits and fallen angelic spirits. The Bible says so.

Hellow! ...and welcome to the board, I don't believe that we had interaction with one another. Permit me to differ a little, the angels that followed Lucifer does not have the possibility of forgiveness because they were knew the Most High face to face yet believed Lucifer could dethrone him and God did not present to the Angels a salvation plan, Christ did not died and became their substitute, they have no one to bear their sins away. My view.

Yea, what he said! (but with spellcheck) lol

Oh no you did-dent!

There is much ambiguity concerning the words hell and salvation. We know that God is a consuming fire and and we see that His fire is different than the fire we are familiar with, for in one place in the bible two men try to put what was termed "a strange fire" upon the altar and they were consumed instantly. We see glorified Jesus with eyes like flames and and feet like glowing bronze as if they were in a furnace.

We also see in srcipture, God in the form of a burning bush that was burning yet not consumed. It is quite plausible therefore, that the fire is the Truth of God and the torment is to forever be seeking but never coming to the knowledge of the Truth of His Holiness.

The strange fire is simply fire taken elsewhere than the brass Altar of burn sacrifice, say taken from the camp.

The point remains that the Fire of God is Himself and unlike the fire we kindle, just as the waters that flow from His throne are not the same type waters that flow from our faucets.

[He giveth more grace]

The point remains that the Fire of God is Himself and unlike the fire we kindle, just as the waters that flow from His throne are not the same type waters that flow from our faucets.

Well yeah!

Did you need to quote all of that?

[childeye]

The point remains that the Fire of God is Himself and unlike the fire we kindle, just as the waters that flow from His throne are not the same type waters that flow from our faucets.

Well yeah!

Did you need to quote all of that?

No, I didn't. Sorry.

[NathanH]

Well, I would almost stay out of this one, but I have strong beliefs in this department.

I believe the soul of the un-believer is destroyed. I believe it is an eternal destruction. But I find no where that it is eternal life in hell.

There are two categories. Those who are in Christ and 'inherit' eternal life, and those who are found outside of Christ and do not receive eternal life.

Mat 10:28 And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

Man is "Body, Soul, and Spirit". The spirit of man is dead, does not exist, until the Spirit of God give it life. This is called the "new birth". So, Jesus was not speaking hypothetically here when He says "both soul and body". The spirit, the 'eternal' part of man is not existent apart from the new birth.

Now, just on a very basic level; what does "destroy" mean? If I "destroyed" a piece of paper, is it still a piece of paper? If I "destroy" my car, is it still a car?

The fact of the matter is that the eternal aspect of it is that it is 'irreversible'. Once a person is destroyed in hell, they are gone. Its a done deal. But they do not live there eternally, because everything they are is destroyed.

[OneLight]

Well, I would almost stay out of this one, but I have strong beliefs in this department.

I believe the soul of the un-believer is destroyed. I believe it is an eternal destruction. But I find no where that it is eternal life in hell.

There are two categories. Those who are in Christ and 'inherit' eternal life, and those who are found outside of Christ and do not receive eternal life.

Mat 10:28 And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

Man is "Body, Soul, and Spirit". The spirit of man is dead, does not exist, until the Spirit of God give it life. This is called the "new birth". So, Jesus was not speaking hypothetically here when He says "both soul and body". The spirit, the 'eternal' part of man is not existent apart from the new birth.

Now, just on a very basic level; what does "destroy" mean? If I "destroyed" a piece of paper, is it still a piece of paper? If I "destroy" my car, is it still a car?

The fact of the matter is that the eternal aspect of it is that it is 'irreversible'. Once a person is destroyed in hell, they are gone. Its a done deal. But they do not live there eternally, because everything they are is destroyed.

Mark 9:42-48 repeatedly states that "Their worm does not die, And the fire is not quenched.", which is from Isaiah 66:24. He is talking about unbelievers here.