Sodomites

[Fez]

Just a question.....

Why do we as Christians fixate on this subject? Is it because it is unnatural and abhorrent behavior to us in a simply moral and worldly way?

My point is that sin is sin. There is no "grading" of sin in God's eyes.

There have been so many posts about this subject over the years, and I hesitate to say that adultery, abuse of women, theft, drunk driving, etc, have not been beaten to death as has this subject.

There is something in us that raises the hackles more when it comes to this, than do other sins, and the discussion thereof.

I in no way agree with or condone this sin, any more than do I any other.

But what does this ire that raises it's (sometimes ugly) head, say about us when we discuss this subject?

Blessings

[Babbler]

  On 1/6/2012 at 4:09 AM, oldzimm said:

  On 1/5/2012 at 10:46 PM, BFP said:

It can also refer to heterosexual couples who engage in anal sex or sex with animals

I'll never and I mean never let a doctor check my prostate again. just kidding, it just came to mind.

How old are you? Never had a colonoscopy?

[other one]

Sodomite is used in the KJV and ASV and the other translations I have translate the word as male prostitute.

While it is kind of important to know what the English word means, it's moreso to get the understanding of the Hebrew.

We should be careful that we don't read things into the word because of the difficulty of translating into other languages.

All my resources say that it's technically a male prostitute........ who or what he's having sex with isn't stated. And since I'm not acquainted with the actions of a male prostitute i'd have to let someone with more experience cover that subject .

[Fez]

  On 1/6/2012 at 12:45 PM, other one said:

Sodomite is used in the KJV and ASV and the other translations I have translate the word as male prostitute.

While it is kind of important to know what the English word means, it's moreso to get the understanding of the Hebrew.

We should be careful that we don't read things into the word because of the difficulty of translating into other languages.

All my resources say that it's technically a male prostitute........ who or what he's having sex with isn't stated. And since I'm not acquainted with the actions of a male prostitute i'd have to let someone with more experience cover that subject .

Got any suggestions?

No wait, it's Ok, don't tell me

[oldzimm]

  On 1/6/2012 at 9:38 AM, Babbler said:

  On 1/6/2012 at 4:09 AM, oldzimm said:

  On 1/5/2012 at 10:46 PM, BFP said:

It can also refer to heterosexual couples who engage in anal sex or sex with animals

I'll never and I mean never let a doctor check my prostate again. just kidding, it just came to mind.

How old are you? Never had a colonoscopy?

OOOOh yeah, I got violated by that action about three years ago, how could I forget that one? Maybe because I was forced into a deep sleep and I'm sure glad I was. I just thought of something, the doctor slipped me a mickey.

[OldShep]

  On 1/6/2012 at 12:30 AM, Cobalt1959 said:

  On 1/5/2012 at 10:15 PM, panza70 said:

I understand in scripture that we won't find "gay", but i believe this is what God is talking about. I know that "sodomite" means prostitute. Could i have your comments, please?....

The word "gay" used to simply mean "happy." The homosexual community, for some reason, commandeered it and used it to describe their lifestyle which is, in most cases, anything but "gay."

In Deuteronomy 23:17, sodomite is used in reference to the "sons of Israel" referring to sex between two males. As Dave pointed out, with scripture, anywhere homosexuality is found in the Bible it is strongly condemned. It is never allowable under any circumstance.

Sodomite does not mean "prostitute." That is a recent convolution of the original word, done by people who wish to make homosexuality acceptable, according to the Bible. It isn't, and never will be.

Now that those people are getting want they want, can we have the words and other things that they stole back?

Gay was being Happy. Queer was being different, and a rainbow was a reminder of God's Promise not to Flood the Earth again.

I liked rainbows and used to have a sticker on my car of a rainbow, taking pictures of them was high on my list to, until some person educated me to the now-a-day meaning of the picture, by trying to hit on me: (sick, sick, sick,).......I want the old meaning back...

[taylor30]

  On 1/5/2012 at 11:11 PM, OneLight said:

My thought is that it is sin, no matter what people are referring to.

Excellent point Onelight. We must remember the real issue here. ANY sexual activity outside the one man and one woman marriage is SIN period. Obviously this includes homosexuality AND prostitution. However, while we are very quick to condemn these acts, it also includes Adultery and Fornication, which some believers get caught up in and we are a lot slower to condemn these. There is no reason to get hung up on what a certain word means on this issue. ANY SEX OUTSIDE THE MARRIAGE BED IS SIN PERIOD.

[Guest]

  On 1/6/2012 at 3:30 PM, taylor30 said:

  On 1/5/2012 at 11:11 PM, OneLight said:

.... My thought is that it is sin, no matter what people are referring to....

.... Excellent point Onelight. We must remember the real issue here. ANY sexual activity outside the one man and one woman marriage is SIN period....

Period

But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. Matthew 5:28

[joi]

Cobalt is correct, homosexuality is being actively pushed on us. Not only do they want homosexuality, they want it to be socially acceptable. They also want it to be accepted in Church.

Fez asked why we discuss this subject as we do. Whoever commits sexual sin, sins against his/her own body. Additionally the body is where the Holy Spirit resides in us. That is asking the Holy Spirit to participate in our sin!

Further the problem springs from lust.

Matthew 5

27. Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:

28. But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

James 1

14. But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.

15. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

Any sex act that deviates from that intended by God is sin. God is not the author of confusion and sexual deviants sin. So, from where does the thought that leads us astray come from, if God is not the author of confusion? The enemy of God is always on the ready to tempt us and often we are gullible enough to listen to him.

Some say well I don't believe that. So be it, but think on this; I may say I am a millionaire and write checks and charge up a huge credit card bill, but at the end of the month, or when my checks bounce, I am forced to see that what I believe is not true. Just believing something does not make it the truth.

There is ultimately only one Authority, and that is our Creator. It is to His authority that we must submit our self. To do otherwise is to perish, even if we do not agree to believe that is truth. At the same time Jesus IS Lord of all. We say I accept Jesus as my Lord, which is not how that works; He is already Lord whether or not we agree, and the time is coming when we all will bend our knee before Him. This is so because God has decreed it.

[other one]

  On 1/6/2012 at 3:30 PM, taylor30 said:

  On 1/5/2012 at 11:11 PM, OneLight said:

My thought is that it is sin, no matter what people are referring to.

Excellent point Onelight. We must remember the real issue here. ANY sexual activity outside the one man and one woman marriage is SIN period. Obviously this includes homosexuality AND prostitution. However, while we are very quick to condemn these acts, it also includes Adultery and Fornication, which some believers get caught up in and we are a lot slower to condemn these. There is no reason to get hung up on what a certain word means on this issue. ANY SEX OUTSIDE THE MARRIAGE BED IS SIN PERIOD.

Was it a sin for Abraham to have a child with Hagar???