Most accurate Bible Translation

[He giveth more grace]

[Bro., your on the other side, remember.

:24:

I meant, of course, other side of the debate, but one in Christ,

[Guest]

.... Bro., your on the other side, remember....

:24:

I meant, of course, other side of the debate, but one in Christ,

And Dear Brother

I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. 2 Timothy 4:1-4

Never Would I Doubt, Not Even For One Minute

Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said Genesis 1:1(a-c)

That Evil And His Disciples Are Continually Attempting

Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 1 John 4:1-3

To Twist And To Pervert The Holy

Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them. We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error. 1 John 4:4-6

Word Of God

Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever. Psalms 119:160

[He giveth more grace]

.... Bro., your on the other side, remember....

:24:

I meant, of course, other side of the debate, but one in Christ,

And Dear Brother

I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. 2 Timothy 4:1-4

Never Would I Doubt, Not Even For One Minute

Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said Genesis 1:1(a-c)

That Evil And His Disciples Are Continually Attempting

Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 1 John 4:1-3

To Twist And To Pervert The Holy

Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them. We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error. 1 John 4:4-6

Word Of God

Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever. Psalms 119:160

Thanks, even though I haven't figured what that is all about.

[simplejeff]

So simple when it is Revealed.   I didn't think it was "subtle" at all// it was a major change......

On December 29, 2011 at 7:25 AM, Watchman Neo said:

After having been around this particular block several times elsewhere, I’ve been lead to the conclusion that it really, really mattereth not what translation one uses unless one also heeds the still, small, inner voice of the Teacher.

 

1 John 2:20,27 But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you know all things…But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him.

 

Scholarship has its roots in man’s wisdom. It must always take second place to the leading of the Spirit…who will not lead one contrary to what He inspired to be written. All doctrinal disagreements have, at their core, at least one party that is not listening, or is not hearing the Spirit clearly.

 

Blessings,

 

Watchman Neo

 

On January 11, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Butero said:

Nobody can be saved without believing in Jesus. I didn't think Yod was suggesting that? I think he was speaking of those Jews who believe in Jesus. Assuming I am correct, I would agree with what he is saying, but the problem goes deeper than a single word being translated "church." It is a problem with entire doctrine, and it is very subtle, so much so that I didn't recognize it. I did more so than the average person, but not fully in the way Yod explained it.

 

On January 11, 2012 at 11:24 AM, Guest yod said:

 

 

 

There is but one name under heaven by which people are saved....it ain't "church"

 

 

 

But for 2,000 years, Jews have been told that they have to "convert" and join "a specifically christian religious institution separate from Israel". That is the biggest hindrance to a worldwide revival. Romans 11:12-15

 

On January 11, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Butero said:

Yod, thank you for taking the time to explain your position. In a way, I already understood the things you are saying, but you said it in a way where I realized I wasn't getting the full picture. Thanks again Yod. I learned something from you today.

 

On January 11, 2012 at 0:13 PM, Guest yod said:

 

 

 

I love how the Body works...

 

Thank you for being patient and kind enough to let me lay it all out there....

 

 

on we go....

 

[other one]

I would hope that everyone would understand that this thread is 4 years old and would go back and read through it before commenting.....   that way we don't have to go through the same  8 pages anew.....

[simplejeff]

Just read what Yahweh permits, leads, or encourages to read, 

like chapters in the BIBLE, Psalms, Bereshit, Matthew, Revelation ((older than 4 years most)).

 A lot of this thread, and most other threads, are or can be anti- Jesus, like society is.

 ((The forum is set up that way, open to all society, not just to nor for believers.))

Take care what you read and listen to, and test everything before believing or accepting it.

[Guest]

On ‎1‎/‎5‎/‎2012 at 9:33 AM, Guest yod said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well, like it or not, what is implied in one language doesn't always have an exact translation, so NIV went with accurate translation of a particular word used, rather than accurate interpretation of the idea being conveyed by that verse. Like I said, there is no such thing as a perfect translation.

 

Another example is from Zechariah 9 where, in the hebrew, it says this king riding on a donkey contains salvation within himself. LIterally what it says is that He is able to save Himself, which implies He can only be the Messiah because no one else can save themselves. But how do you translate that complete idea without inserting a lot more words than the one used and, in the case of gentiles who don't understand hebraic thought or culture, how do they interpret without adding commentary that might not be completely accurate theology? Most translations say "bearing salvation" here but that's not a complete interpretation. Shall they start inserting words that aren't actually used to convey the idea? Maybe so...but then you are adding to what is actually written.

 

 

So my approach is to read all the different versions and try to find the middle ground between them, or some consensus. Then I check the original language definition when possible to see how the word is used, instead of how it is translated.

 

 

The best way still is to read it in hebrew. Even the Newer Covenant scriptures should be researched for the original hebrew words the speakers would have used (before being translated to jewish-greek) and then trying to understand the way it was used and intended for the original audience.

To agree with you concerning Hebrew thought and culture, which you say, "Gentiles who do not understand Hebraic thought and culture". Which quite frankly I do not see those promoting Hebrew thought to give a full  view of first century Judaism. Namely it was sectarian. Therefore which sectarian views within first century Judaism are you promoting as correct Hebrew thought? It seems only logical to assume it is Pharisaic, as that is the only Jewish sect which survived to teach.  Gentiles not understanding the basic Hebrew understanding, cannot discern the deeper truths expounded in kabbalah either. Therefore by your own assessment Gentile ignorance into these things are ill equipped to discern for themselves many issues of the day among the sects. But, being ignorant can allow certain Jewish sectarians to bring their concepts to be the only option to understand the scripture. Which seems to always have some aspect of what Christ will do in the future.

I as an admittedly, ignorant Gentile---- suspect the main focus here would be, to ask ourselves What is the Gospel. What has Christ accomplished for our Salvation and citizenship in the heavenly kingdom of Christ?

Getting our ducks in a row concerning the work of Christ already finished concerning this.....To beware of any denial of those things by, assigning them to his future return. And basically rolling back his work, for a future work to be done.

The Gospel is the witness of what Christ came to accomplish, a already has done......

 

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Joline said:

To agree with you concerning Hebrew thought and culture, which you say, "Gentiles who do not understand Hebraic thought and culture". Which quite frankly I do not see those promoting Hebrew thought to give a full  view of first century Judaism. Namely it was sectarian. Therefore which sectarian views within first century Judaism are you promoting as correct Hebrew thought? It seems only logical to assume it is Pharisaic, as that is the only Jewish sect which survived to teach.  Gentiles not understanding the basic Hebrew understanding, cannot discern the deeper truths expounded in kabbalah either. Therefore by your own assessment Gentile ignorance into these things are ill equipped to discern for themselves many issues of the day among the sects. But, being ignorant can allow certain Jewish sectarians to bring their concepts to be the only option to understand the scripture. Which seems to always have some aspect of what Christ will do in the future.

I as an admittedly, ignorant Gentile---- suspect the main focus here would be, to ask ourselves What is the Gospel. What has Christ accomplished for our Salvation and citizenship in the heavenly kingdom of Christ?

Getting our ducks in a row concerning the work of Christ already finished concerning this.....To beware of any denial of those things by, assigning them to his future return. And basically rolling back his work, for a future work to be done.

The Gospel is the witness of what Christ came to accomplish, as already has done.......