Are Satan and Lucifer one and the same?

[OldShep]

Who said anything about facing off with him or slander him over anything...... I'd just like to know what he was thinking when he decided to try and take over....

My idea of facing off is standing infront of your enemy and wanting him to tell you what He was thinking. As far as what he may have been thinking is clear, He thought he could. I did not mean for you to think that I was putting word in your mouth. Respect, your enemy and you will not fall victim to them; I'm and old military intel type.

It is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles; if you do not know your enemies but do know yourself, you will win one and lose one; if you do not know your enemies nor yourself, you will be imperiled in every single battle. Sun Tzu

Sorry for any misunderstanding

Dennis

[nebula]

Why shouldn't he? It really would not be any advantage to him not to.

Ask a Mafia boss why he did what he did - do you imagine a straight answer? Or the smart-alec teenager? Or the gang leader?

Why would "the Father of Lies" consider you worth giving his time of day to answer? Why would he bare the secrets of his being to you?

It seems to me as if you are either regarding Satan as less than what he is, or that you are considering yourself bigger than what you are. And that has me very puzzled.

[other one]

Neb, i know what he is and what he is capable of doing and I also know that without the Holy Spirit we are not going to be able to protect ourselves from him. But I do have the Holy Spirit so I really don't have to fear him. I'm certainly not dumb enough to pick a fight with him or tell him how bad he is...... I would really just like to know how he thinks he can overcome the creator, and I'm not too afraid to ask. It's as simple as that.

[TheNewMan]

so you say....... There are not stars in Heaven........ heaven is not above the clouds..... hummmmm, when Jesus left he rose up through the clouds........ wonder where he was going..... and btw, did I say that Satan and Lucifer were the same????

Hummmm, Satan doesn't ever have a physical body.......... have you ever met him....... how could you know that. We're told to be good to strangers that we never know when we might be helping angels..... they do have bodies or we wouldn't be getting them mixed up with humans.... i just don't think I can go along with your thinking on this.

When Jesus left, He rose up through the clouds. That is to symbolize that God is above us in authority and power and wisdom. Do you honestly think that we could go straight up and eventually reach Heaven? No, Heaven is not physical. There are not stars in Heaven and Heaven is not above the clouds.

Here's a better question: why would Satan need to be buried? Could he die? He can't die, because he's a spiritual being. We KNOW he's a spiritual being because in Job chapter 1 he presented himself before the Lord with the sons of God. Satan cannot die, whereas the being that is being talked about in Isaiah 14 CAN die.

[OldShep]

There is some (I believe legitimate) question as to whether Satan and the being Lucifer described in Isaiah are one and the same.

Satan is a title, not a given name. Satan is Hebrew for adversary. It is used 15 times in the entire Old Testament.

Lucifer means light-bearer and is rendered Heylel. It is used exactly once in all of Scripture.

I am personally not 100% convinced that Satan's 'name' is Lucifer.

While we are on this, what about Beezlebub? Is that satan ,also?

Beezlebub? Was / is a semitic deity that was worshipped in the Philistine city of Ekron. His name literally means "Lord of the Flies";

H1176

בּעל זבוּב

ba‛al zebûb

bah'-al zeb-oob'

From H1168 and H2070; Baal of (the) Fly; Baal Zebub, a special deity of the Ekronites: - Baal-zebub.

2Ki 1:2 And Ahaziah fell down through a lattice in his upper chamber that was in Samaria, and was sick: and he sent messengers, and said unto them, Go, enquire of Baalzebub the god of Ekron whether I shall recover of this disease.

2Ki 1:3 But the angel of the LORD said to Elijah the Tishbite, Arise, go up to meet the messengers of the king of Samaria, and say unto them, Is it not because there is not a God in Israel, that ye go to enquire of Baalzebub the god of Ekron?

Baalzebub

bā-al-zē´bub בּעל זבוּב, ba‛al zebhūbh = “Lord of flies”; Βααλ-μυιαν, Βάαλ-μυῖαν, Báal-muı́aň: A deity worshipped by the Philistines at Ekron (2Ki_1:2, 2Ki_1:3, 2Ki_1:6, 2Ki_1:16). All that can be gathered from this one reference to him in ancient literature is that he had some fame as a god that gave oracles. Ahaziah, son of Ahab, and king of Israel, went to consult him whether he should recover of his sickness, and was therefore rebuked by Elijah, who declared that his death would be the result of this insult to Yahweh. [not a good idea to seek answers form any spirits other then God] Why he was called “lord of flies,” or whether his real name has not be en corrupted and lost are matters of conjecture. {taken from International Standard Bible Encyclopedia }

Hope you find this helpful.

Dennis

Edited September 11, 2011 by OldShep

[TheNewMan]

So clearly Lucifer is not Satan.

[other one]

So clearly Lucifer is not Satan.

So, the dark side is right?????

[TheNewMan]

So we're talking about Star Wars now?

[panza70]

There is some (I believe legitimate) question as to whether Satan and the being Lucifer described in Isaiah are one and the same.

Satan is a title, not a given name. Satan is Hebrew for adversary. It is used 15 times in the entire Old Testament.

Lucifer means light-bearer and is rendered Heylel. It is used exactly once in all of Scripture.

I am personally not 100% convinced that Satan's 'name' is Lucifer.

They are both one and the same. The word Heylel is Hebrew. Go to this site and type in satan,lucifer,serpent. christiananswers.net

[taylor30]

Lucifer was his name while he was still serving in Heaven, Satan though a title became the name he would be known as after his fall. THEY ARE THE SAME. There is a description of Satan before his fall in Ezekiel 28.