Dr Thomas Ice - Imminency and the Any -Moment Rapture

angels4u · June 14, 2013

Marv - When the AC arrives on the scene, Pre-Tribbers don't expect to be here. They don't expect to have to work 15 hour days.
They will never know who the AC is until it is too late.
Their line of thought will go - "God PROMISED us that we will be gone when the AC arrives, so that is not him". That will be their undoing.
If you are one of those people who thinks that date-setting is an appropriate thing to do, then just ignore the words of Jesus Christ.
Johnny - It is my belief that Satan LOVES the Pre-Trib Doctrine. It's a great way to deceive many.

Are you sure what you believe is right and you are not decieved?

iamlamad · June 14, 2013

To whoever said that the Pre-Trib Rapture is all fiction and lies - Good for you.
Marv - You said "For those who don't believe in the Rapture, my guess is that you will never be in the Father's house where Christ is now".
So in other words, we are going to Hell.
This line of thinking makes me laugh at humans thinking that they know how the mind of God works.
Iamlamad - Since a Pre-Trib Rapture will NOT be happening, those who don't believe in it won't have to worry about being "caught up".
That is NOT something to think about because it won't be happening.
What Pre-Tribbers need to worry about is what will they do when a Pre-Trib Rapture doesn't occur. You MIGHT even curse God for not following through on His PROMISE.

Ha ha ha! God NOT follow through on His promises? Ever heard that tale about a snowball in hell? Sorry, but the day God renigs on a promise will NEVER COME.

So...there is another hand here. What will posttribbers do when their children are tortured in front of them, trying to get them to take the mark? How many will just give in and take the mark? But the biggest question here is why do postribbers make their own appoinment with wrath, when God would not set it for them? Of course, if anyone choose wrath, I believe God will honor their choice, and they will be left behind.

Lamad

iamlamad · June 14, 2013

Iamlamad

1. Are you familiar at all with history? When have people escaped martrydom for believing in Jesus Christ? He didn't even escape death .Apparently, Pre-Tribbers believe that the Father considers them to be more "special" than His own son.

2. God hasn't promised you anything. It is the incorrect interpretation that has allowed you to come up with this notion that God PROMISED you escape. This notion might very well lead to the Pre-Tribbers spiritual demise after the arrival of the antichrist.

Jesus DID say that many will be deceived.

we see clearly in Mathew 24:9 Jesus promised death to all who were under the sound of His voice

I don't know about you but when Jesus says they will kill you..........I believe Him!

Who is the YOU?

Luke 21

¹²But previous to all this, they will lay their hands on you and persecute you, turning you over to the synagogues and prisons, and you will be led away before kings and governors for My name’s sake.

I have never attended a synagogue. Sorry, but this was Jesus talking to Jewish men about the end of THEIR age. It has nothing to do with the Bride of Christ. Of course, if some CHOSE to stay behind, and not be caught up with the Bride so as to escape all these things, I believe God will allow them their choice. By the way, this time is called DANIEL's 70th week, not PAUL's 70th week. It is for the JEWS.

Lamad

iamlamad · June 14, 2013

John S

So do you know when this blessed event of the Rapture (harpozo) takes place. For if you say post-trib, you are a date setter, for you know when the Trib started and have seven years to wait. If you have a mid-trib belief, you are a date setter, for you have 3 1/2 years to wait. If a pre-wrath beleif, one waits a little longer. But all these are referenced by the signing of a peace treaty (covenant), which starts the 70th week of Daniel. But as for a pre-trib position, there is no warning, just like death, it happens, sometimes unexpectantly. No date setting here. Can't get close, 5 minutes, 5 years. The clock start ticking when the A/C comes on the scene. One has a 7 year time frame. Go into captivity (become a slave of someone else - they may treat you good, IF you do good work for them, they will have the mark of the beast on them, they can buy and sell so as to feed you, but as for the captives, if you are older can you hold up to a 14 or 15 hour work day, for your new owner will demand of you what they want.) or be killed by a sword.

In Christ

Montana Marv

I am post trib and have no dates set Marv, but this on going teaching that Jesus comes first and the antichrist second will be the down fall of millions of unread christians who count on the masses for truth and biblical direction. this is by far the worst and and biblically weakest false doctrine ever to hit the pulpits, its completely built on a facade and errant interpretations

I think Paul will have something to say to you....

¹⁶For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

¹⁷Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

¹⁸Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.

²For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

³For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

⁴But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

⁵Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

⁶Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.

⁷For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.

⁸But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.

⁹For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

¹⁰Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.

¹¹Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.

I believe a 5th grader could understand this. But let me help those who cannot.

Note, there are only TWO verses between the bride caught up and the Day of the Lord. Paul is telling us that the two events will be back to back. In fact, that the rapture will be the trigger.

Paul then makes a perfect paradigm - comparing two groups of people at a SUDDEN EVENT.

First, those in darkness get sudden destruction. Those in the light get "salvation." But what is this salvation? We don't have to guess, because Paul; writes that we "get to live together with Him." Same as the previous chapter, "so shall we ever be with the Lord. Paul did not leave off with thoughts of the rapture, but continued on to tell us WHEN the rapture comes. It will be the trigger for the DAY.

So what is this "sudden destruction?"

If we look at Mat. 27, it is written, "the earth did quake....and the graves were opened." Matt. is telling us that when these Old Testament saints arose, it caused an earthquake - or at the very least, an earthquake happened at the same time. But when we read when the two witnesses were raise, again there was an earthquake. When we discover that the Old Testament saints will be raised at the 7th vial (the last day) and notice the world's worst earthquake ever, then we can conclude that it is the resurrections that CAUSE the earthquake. It makes sense: for people long in the grave, the atoms that once made up their body may be miles away at that point in time. Or hundreds of feet underground. When these atoms come together instantly, of course it will cause an earthquake. So when the dead in Christ rise up, it will cause the first WORLDWIDE earthquake. Why? Because the dead in Christ have died and were buried around the world.

So this "sudden destruction" is the earthquake caused by the rapture of the church. Therefore I think Paul is telling us that the rapture will be the trigger for the Day of the Lord. We know Jesus will come as a theif, and since the rapture will come the same way, so then will the day of the Lord. It will come SUDDENLY as the dead in Christ are raised.

Since I already KNOW postribbers have missed this part, please notice that an earthquake is the FIRST EVENT of the 6th seal. That is when the rapture takes place in Revelation. And very shortly after, John saw the raptured church in heaven. You see, John and Paul are in perfect agreement. By now you should know that the gathering in Mat. 24 that gathers from HEAVEN is not the rapture. If ever there was a weak doctrine, it would be making this gathering in Matthew the rapture. Pretribbers know the rapture takes place here on earth.

Therefore, I hope you will tell Paul that his doctrine is a FALSE doctrine. I don't think he knows this yet.

Lamad

iamlamad · June 14, 2013

Joe - I'm Sorry - I'm not certain of what you said regarding the Pre-Trib Rapture - whether you are for or against.
Children have "Faith" that Santa Claus is going to bring them presents. Eventually, they have to be told the truth. The same holds true for Pre-Tribbers - even your wife (if I read your story correctly).
Satan is deceiving them so that his protege will not be noticed by that group of people when the Rapture fails to happen.

I don't think it will be long to wait until the posttribbers find out for sure who is deceived, for suddenly a vast number of believers and children will disappear! God is not a man that He should lie. Has He promised and shall He not make it good?

Lamad

iamlamad · June 14, 2013

I still can't find any place where those "taken" are not the wicked.
""The meek shall inherit the earth""
.

Anyone who opposes the rapture myth is a hero in my book.
And speaking of books, the reason the whole concoction was invented in the first place was to sell books, not to distribute an accurate and truthful interpretation of end times prophecy. It was John Nelson Darby who started this fantasy. You can't blame this one on Mr. Disney! Darby was a man who hung around with dabblers in the occult at one time. His association led him to propose the rapture theory.
Like all good fiction and lies, the rapture story was based upon the solid ground of scripture. In this case the solid ground is that Jesus promised He would come again. For millennia Christians have anticipated the second coming. I know I do.
Darby comes along and throws a book out there which is instantly popular. Ever noticed how demonic books have that strange sort of intellectual magnetism? If we examine all the rapture theories dispassionately we see that the theoretical consequences are that Jesus would come again...and again....and again. Three or four times or more are the number of 'returns' depending upon which version of the tale one chooses to espouse.
Add to that its a cultural thing. Only in America. A few years ago a conclave of South African protestant churches voted to reject the rapture idea completely. It's devisive, it isn't based upon sound logic and it isn't efficacious in the least. Only in America. If it's true why doesn't anybody else buy it? Because it's rubbish, that's why and everyone knows it except Americans. Do Americans have an exclusive license on the truth - or are we just really good at marketing garbage?
But the rapture theory does sell a lot of books - and that's probably the biggest single benefit to the category of Christian literary fiction.
It makes money and lots of it.
"There's a sucker born every minute."
- P.T. Barnum
but that's just me, hollering from the choir loft...

Who's your hero?

Ha ha! This is funny. I want you to tell this to Paul when you arrive in heaven! I suspect he too will find it funny.

Sorry, it was PAUL that first wrote of the rapture. And Christian writers have written of it ever since. It is right there in our bibles for anyone to read.....just as salvation is. Many will not believe in the simple plan of salvation, and many will not believe in the rapture.

I am sure God will accomidate those who do not believe in the rapture - I don't think God will ever go against the human will.. He gave us the right of choice. So I believe anyone who chooses to stay behind will be left behind. I choose to escape all these things. Anyway, I don't want to miss the wedding and supper in heaven. The pretrib rapture is the only way to get there, outside of losing one's head. I think this whole thing comes down to a matter of choice. I choose to beleive what Paul wrote.

Lamad

You didn't really answer my question: Who's your hero?

I have two; It is Jesus who died for me, and Paul who spread the gospel to the Gentiles, so I could hear and believe. Lamad

Montana Marv · June 14, 2013

John S

So do you know when this blessed event of the Rapture (harpozo) takes place. For if you say post-trib, you are a date setter, for you know when the Trib started and have seven years to wait. If you have a mid-trib belief, you are a date setter, for you have 3 1/2 years to wait. If a pre-wrath beleif, one waits a little longer. But all these are referenced by the signing of a peace treaty (covenant), which starts the 70th week of Daniel. But as for a pre-trib position, there is no warning, just like death, it happens, sometimes unexpectantly. No date setting here. Can't get close, 5 minutes, 5 years. The clock start ticking when the A/C comes on the scene. One has a 7 year time frame. Go into captivity (become a slave of someone else - they may treat you good, IF you do good work for them, they will have the mark of the beast on them, they can buy and sell so as to feed you, but as for the captives, if you are older can you hold up to a 14 or 15 hour work day, for your new owner will demand of you what they want.) or be killed by a sword.

In Christ

Montana Marv

I am post trib and have no dates set Marv, but this on going teaching that Jesus comes first and the antichrist second will be the down fall of millions of unread christians who count on the masses for truth and biblical direction. this is by far the worst and and biblically weakest false doctrine ever to hit the pulpits, its completely built on a facade and errant interpretations

Johnny

But we as pre trib, Christ does not return to earth as in the Second Coming. We meet Him in the air and then are taken into Heaven where He has prepared a place for us, the door is shut. He comes for His Bride not setting foot on this earth. The second coming is 7 years later where Christ sets His feet on the Mt of Olives.

I like this 6th Trumpet verse in Rev 9:20 - The REST of mankind that were not killed by these plagues Still did not Repent of the work of their hand; they did not stop worshipping demons, and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone and wood. v 21 - Nor did they repent of their murders, their magic arts, their sexual immorality or their thefts. 1/3 of mankind were killed by these plagues; 2/3's remainded alive. 2/3's is the rest of mankind who were not killed by the paagues.

In Christ

Montana Marv

angels4u · June 14, 2013

Time will tell what will happen with God everything is possible ,here's another interesting article

It's long but if you're interested in the topic it's worth reading.

An Overview of Pretribulational Arguments

Mark Hitchcock

The timing of the rapture is one of the most controversial and often debated issues in eschatology. The Bible teaches that at some point in the future Jesus will come, and the bodies of all deceased church age believers will be resurrected and all living believers will be raptured to meet the Lord in the air. The truth of the rapture is agreed upon by most Christians, but the same is not true when it comes to the timing of the rapture. Simply stated, the key issue is this: Will the church go through any or all of the seven-year tribulation before the rapture occurs? Or to put it another way—when will the believing be leaving?

This question is much more than just a theological, ivory tower debate. There is a great deal at stake depending on which view is biblical. Think about it. If the rapture occurs in our lifetime, your future will be very different depending on which of these views is correct. Will you be here to see the Antichrist? Will you be forced to choose whether to take his mark on your right hand or forehead? Will you witness the carnage of the wrath of God poured out on the whole world? Or will you be in heaven during this time experiencing a glorious fellowship and intimacy with the Lamb and His sheep? Will you and I be here for none, half, three-fourths or all of the tribulation? It�s an important and sobering question.

In this paper I want to briefly present what I believe are the seven most compelling biblical arguments in support of the pretribulation, or pre-seventieth week, rapture position. I have arranged these seven points into an acronym—PRETRIB.

Place of the Church in Revelation

If the church will experience any or all of the coming tribulation, then one would naturally expect that the most indepth, lengthy, detailed presentation of the tribulation would include an account of the church�s role during that time period. But remarkably, in the key section on the tribulation in the Bible, Revelation 4—18, there is an absolute silence about the church. And the silence is deafening.

The Greek word for �church� is ekklesia. This word occurs twenty times in the book of Revelation. In Revelation 1—3 the church is specifically mentioned nineteen times. The glorified Lord addresses seven letters to seven specific churches in Asia Minor: Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea. In these letters the Lord gives detailed instructions and admonitions to the churches. But then, suddenly, beginning in Revelation 4 John shifts from indepth messages to the church to total silence about the church for fifteen chapters. Incredibly, the church is never mentioned once in Revelation 4—18. This absolute silence is striking and unexplainable if the church continues on earth during the tribulation.

In Revelation 4:1 the apostle John, who is a member of the church, is called up to heaven, and projected into the future in a kind of spiritual time machine. In the subsequent fifteen chapters, from Revelation 4—18, John looks down on earth as the events of the tribulation unfold. But the church does not appear again until chapter 19 where she is pictured as a bride, beautifully adorned for her husband, who returns to earth with her glorious Bridegroom at the Second Advent. This clearly indicates that the Bride has already been in heaven for some time since she has �made herself ready� (Rev 19:7).

The church is then referred to again specifically by the word ekklesia in Revelation 22:16 for the final time. The place of the church in the Book of Revelation is compelling evidence that the church will not be present on earth during the tribulation.

The Use of the Word �Church� in Revelation

Rev 1—3 Rev 4—18 Rev 20—22

�Church� 19 times �Church� 0 times �Church� 1x (22:16)

What about the Saints?

Posttribulationists counter this argument by noting that while the word church does not appear in Revelation 4—18 that the word �saints� (holy ones) occurs several times in Revelation 4—18 and that this is a description of the church present on earth (Rev 13:7, 10; 16:6; 17:6; 18:24). The problem with this argument is that there were saints in the Old Testament, there are saints today in the New Testament church, and there will be saints in the future tribulation period. The use of the word saints to describe believers on earth during the tribulation period tells us that there will be believers on earth, but it does not prove that they are church age believers. The saints in Revelation are best described as tribulation saints who will be saved during the tribulation period after the rapture.

The 24 Elders

Posttribulationists further point out that if the church is not present on earth during the tribulation, then she must be in heaven. They then ask the question, �what evidence is there in Revelation that the church is in heaven during the tribulation?� Do pre-tribbers have any evidence that the church is in heaven during this time?

I believe the church is referred to twelve times in Revelation 4—19 by the term �twenty-four elders� (Rev 4:4,10; 5:5,6,8,11,14; 7:11,13; 11:16; 14:3; 19:4). There are four main views concerning the identity of the 24 elders: 1) angelic beings, 2) Israel, 3) the church, and 4) all of the redeemed—Israel and the church. I believe the elders represent the church.[1] Assuming this view is correct, where are these elders in Revelation 4—19? Are they on earth getting ready for the tribulation? No! They are in heaven worshiping Him who sits on the throne and the Lamb. From their first mention in Revelation 4:4, the 24 elders are in heaven, judged, rewarded and enthroned. If the elders represent the church, this is another indication that the church must be raptured to heaven before the first judgment of the tribulation is unleashed in Revelation 6:1.

The only place you find the church in Revelation 4—19 is in heaven as the twenty-four elders who are seated on thrones, dressed in white, crowned with crowns worshiping the Lamb (Rev 4:4,10; 5:5,6,8,11,14).

Rapture vs. Return

Some students of Bible prophecy strongly object to the notion that the rapture of the church and the return or Second Coming of Christ are distinct events separated by at least seven years. They contend that this is teaching two future comings of Christ while the Bible only presents one event.

However, the New Testament teaches that Christ will come for His church to escort her to His Father�s House (John 14:3). And also teaches that He will come with His saints when He descends from heaven to judge His enemies and establish His glorious 1,000 year kingdom on earth (Zech 14:5; Rev 19:14). I view this as one coming that will occur in two distinct phases or stages separated by at least seven years.

The distinct differences between these two phases of Christ�s coming are harmonized successfully by the pre-trib view, while other views of the timing of the rapture are unable to accommodate the differences. Here are some of the main verses that describe these two stages of Christ�s future coming.

Rapture

John 14:1-3

Romans 8:19

1 Corinthians 1:7-8; 15:51-53; 16:22

Philippians 3:20-21; 4:5

Colossians 3:4

1 Thessalonians 1:10; 2:19: 4:13-18; 5:9, 23

2 Thessalonians 2:1, 3

1 Timothy 6:14

2 Timothy 4:1, 8

Titus 2:13

Hebrews 9:28

James 5:7-9

1 Peter 1:7, 13; 5:4

1 John 2:28—3:2

Jude 21

Revelation 2:15; 3:10

Second Coming

Daniel 2:44-45; 7:9-14; 12:1-3

Zechariah 12:10; 14:1-15

Matthew 13:41; 24:27-31; 26:64

Mark 13:14-27; 14:62

Luke 17:20-37; 21:25-28

Acts 1:9-11; 3:19-21

1 Thessalonians 3:13

2 Thessalonians 1:6-10; 2:8

1 Peter 4:12-13

2 Peter 3:1-14

Jude 14-15

Revelation 1:7; 19:11—20:6; 22:7, 12, 20

The only sure-fire way to fully resolve this issue is to set what the Bible says about these events side-by-side to see if they are describing the same occurrence.

The Rapture The Return (Second Coming)

Christ comes in the air Christ come to the earth

(1 Thess 4:16-17) (Zech 14:4)

Christ comes for his saints Christ come with his saints

(1 Thess 4:16-17) (1 Thess 3:13; Jude 14)

Believers depart the earth Unbelievers are taken away

(1 Thess 4:16-17) (Matt 24:37-41)

Christ claims His bride Christ comes with His bride

Christ gathers His own (1 Thess 4:16-17) Angels gather the elect (Matt 24:31)

Christ comes to reward (1 Thess 4:17) Christ comes to judge (Matt 25:31-46).

Not in the Old Testament Predicted often in the Old Testament

(1 Cor 15:51)

There are no signs. It is imminent. Portended by many signs (Matt 24:4-29)

It is a time of blessing and It is a time of destruction and

comfort (1 Thess 4:18) judgment (2 Thess 2:8-12)

Involves believers only (Jn 14:1-3; Involves Israel and the Gentile

1 Cor 15:51-55; 1 Thess 4:13-18) nations (Matt 24:1-25:46)

Will occur in a moment, in the time it Will be visible to the entire world

takes to blink. Only his own will see His (Matt 24:27; Rev 1:7)

(1 Cor 15:51-52)

Tribulation begins Millennium begins

Christ comes as the bright morning Christ comes as the sun of

star (Rev 22:16) righteousness (Mal 4:2)

John Walvoord concludes that these �contrasts should make it evident that the translation of the church is an event quite different in character and time from the return of the Lord to establish His kingdom, and confirms the conclusion that the translation takes place before the tribulation.�[2] Both events mention clouds symbolizing a heavenly role in both, but other differences demonstrate that these are two distinct events.

At the Rapture, the Lord comes for His saints (1 Thess 4:16); at the Second Coming the Lord comes with His saints (1 Thess 3:13). At the Rapture, the Lord comes only for believers, but His return to the earth will impact all people. The Rapture is a translation/resurrection event; the Second Coming is not. At the Rapture, the Lord takes believers from earth to heaven �to the Father�s house� (John 14:3). At the Second Coming believers return from heaven to the earth (Matt 24:30). The rapture is an imminent,signless event that from the human perspective could occur at any moment; whereas, the Second Coming will be preceded by all kinds of signs (Matt 24:1-29). The same event cannot logically be both signless and yet portended by numerous signs. This is contradictory. The best harmonization of these two different events supports a pretribulational rapture (which is signless and could happen at any moment), while the many events taking place during the Tribulation are best understood as signs leading up to the Second Coming.

Conclusion

While both the rapture and the return describe a coming of the Lord, these dramatic differences demand that they describe two very unique events at two separate times. It is simply impossible to merge the rapture and second coming into a single event that makes sense of the passages that describe them. John MacArthur provides an excellent summary of this point in favor of the pre-trib viewpoint.

Scripture suggests that the Second Coming occurs in two stages—first the Rapture, when He comes for His saints and they are caught up to meet Him in the air (1 Thess. 4:14-17), and second, His return to earth, when He comes with His saints (Jude 14) to execute judgment on His enemies. Daniel�s seventieth week must fallbetween those two events. That is the only scenario that reconciles the imminency of Christ�s coming for His saints with the yet unfulfilled signs that signal His final glorious return with the saints.[3]

Exemption from Divine Wrath

Many people strongly object to the notion that the church will be raptured to heaven to escape the time of tribulation on earth. They think this is a form of Christian �escapism.� After all, they argue, who are we to think that of all the generations of believers who have lived that we are somehow so special that we will be rescued from the coming time of trouble and tribulation.

Believers in every generation have faced trouble. Some have faced terrible persecution and even martyrdom. Jesus Himself told His disciples, �In the world you have tribulation� (John 16:33b). Acts 14:22b the apostle Paul said, �Through many tribulations we must enter the kingdom of God.� Let me make it very clear that I do not believe that Christians are somehow exempt from the troubles of this life—even serious trouble. A cursory reading of the Bible would prove this point. True believers get ill, have family problems, deal with emotional stress, face persecution, lose their jobs, and die. We live in a fallen, sin-cursed world. But there is a vast difference between the troubles and tribulations of this life that we all face and the wrath of God poured on a godless, sinful planet in the final years of this age. It�s the difference between tribulation (with a little �t�) and THETribulation (with the definite article and a big �T�).

We all experience tribulation. But the Bible says we are exempt from the Tribulation.

Wrath or Rapture?

The Bible promises in several places that God�s people are exempt from the coming wrath of God of the tribulation period (1 Thess 1:9-10; 5:9; Rev 3:10). But why are we exempt from the tribulation? What is there about the tribulation that necessitates our absence from this time? The nature of the entire seven year tribulation period is one of pounding judgment from God Himself against a rebellious world. The judgment of God begins with the first seal that is opened in Revelation 6:1 and continues all the way until the Second Coming in Revelation 19:11-21.

The Pre-Wrath and Midtrib Problem

Two of the other rapture positions view the nature of the tribulation very differently.

Proponents of the pre-wrath rapture agree that Church age believers will be spared from the wrath of God but limit the time of God�s wrath to the final part of the tribulation. According to them, all the destruction in the first three-fourths of the tribulation is due to the wrath of man and the wrath of Satan. The wrath of God or Day of the Lord begins with the seventh seal. The events of the sixth seal are the sign of the Day of the Lord. Proponents of the pre-wrath rapture place the rapture between the sixth and seventh seal judgments.

Similarly, midtribulationists argue that God�s wrath is not poured out until the last half of the tribulation. They believe that Christians will be caught up just before the wrath of God begins. Most midtribbers place the rapture at the blowing of the seventh trumpet in Revelation 11:15-17.

The problem with these two views is that all 19 judgments in Revelation 6—18 are God�s wrath.[4] The seal judgments, which are opened at the very beginning of the tribulation, are brought forth not by man or Satan, but by the Lamb Himself, the Lord Jesus Christ (Revelation 6:1). They are messianic judgments. Jesus opens the seals and an angel calls each of the four horsemen to ride across the earth in judgment. To say that the wrath of God is limited to the last half or last fourth of the tribulation ignores the source of the seven seal judgments that commence the seven-year tribulation. Moreover, while the word �wrath� is not found in Revelation until 6:16-17, the famine, sword, pestilence, and wild beasts in the first four seal judgments are often associated with God�s wrath in other places in the Bible (Jer 14:12; 15:2; 24:10; 29:17; Ezek 5:12, 17; 14:21).

During the tribulation the terror and destruction will be worldwide in scope, not just limited to a few locations. In the tribulation, there will be disasters of unimaginable horror and global scope. There are 7 Seal judgments, 7 Trumpet judgments, and 7 Bowl judgments. These series of judgments will be poured out successively during the tribulation. One-half of the earth�s population will perish in just two of the 19 tribulation judgments. In the fourth seal judgment one-fourth of the world will die (Revelation 6:8), and in the fifth trumpet judgment one-third will perish (Revelations 9:18). The entire environment of the planet will be destroyed. Revelation 16:19-21 graphically pictures the worldwide devastation. �And the cities of the nations fell. . . . And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found. And huge hailstones, about one hundred pounds each, came down from heaven upon men . . .�

Post-tribulationists believe the church will be left here on earth to go through this entire terrible time of devastation. They believe that God will protect His people during this time. But with the global extent of these judgments it is difficult to imagine how believers could be spared. The world will be swallowed up by the tsunami of God�s judgment.

These verses from Revelation highlight that God Himself and the Lamb are the source of this wrath against the world from start to finish. In each verse I have italicized the mention of God�s wrath.

Revelation 6:16-17 �and they said to the mountains and to the rocks, �Fall on us and hide us from the presence of Him who sits on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb; for the great day of their wrath has come; and who is able to stand?��

Revelation 11:18 �And the nations were enraged, and Thy wrath came, and the time came for the dead to be judged, and the time to give their reward to Thy bondservants the prophets and to the saints and to those who fear Thy name, the small and the great, and to destroy those who destroy the earth.�

Revelation 14:10 �he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.�

Revelation 14:19 �And the angel swung his sickle to the earth, and gathered clusters from the vine of the earth, and threw them into the great winepress of the wrath of God.�

Revelation 15:1 �And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvelous, seven angels who had seven plagues, which are the last, because in them the wrath of Godis finished.�

Revelation 15:7 �And one of the four living creatures gave to the seven angels seven golden bowls full of the wrath of God, who lives forever and ever.�

Revelation 16:1 �And I heard a loud voice from the temple, saying to the seven angels, �Go and pour out the seven bowls of the wrath of God into the earth.��

Revelation 16:19 �And the great city was split into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell. And Babylon the great was remembered before God, to give her the cup of the wine of His fierce wrath.�

Revelation 18:10 �standing at a distance because of the fear of her torment, saying, �Woe, woe, the great city, Babylon, the strong city! For in one hour your judgmenthas come.��

Sinful men will know that the worldwide judgments on the earth, seas, sun, and sky are coming from the hand of Almighty God Himself, and yet they will still not repent (Revelation 6:16-17; 16:9-11). What a picture of the dark depravity of the human heart! God�s wrath will be unlike anything the world has ever seen. And we are forced to ask the question—why would God leave His bride on earth during this time? It makes no sense.

As J. F. Strombeck asks, �One is forced to ask, how could the Lamb of God die and rise again to save the Church from wrath and then allow her to pass through the wrath that He shall pour upon those who reject Him? Such inconsistency might be possible in the thinking of men, but not in the acts of the Son of God.�[5]

The Pre-Trib Rapture in 1 Thessalonians

There are four strong points in 1 Thessalonians that indicate the church will be exempt from the coming wrath of the tribulation.

A Promise of Deliverance

First, in 1 Thessalonians 1:9-10 exemption from the coming wrath of the tribulation is explicitly stated. �For they themselves report about us what kind of a reception we had with you, and how you turned to God from idols to serve a living and true God, and to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, that is Jesus, who delivers us from the wrath to come.� (italics added) Notice in this verse that it is Jesus coming from heaven who delivers us from the wrath to come. And the word �wrath� has the definite article in front of it. It�s not just any wrath, but the wrath to come. This points to the specific time of wrath in the coming day of the Lord. Moreover, Jesus� coming for us is the means of our deliverance from the coming wrath of the tribulation. This strongly supports the pre-trib position.

First the Rapture

Second, in 1 Thessalonians 4:13—5:9, the order of events is striking. First Thessalonians 4:13-18 deals with the rapture of the church to meet the Lord in the air. Then, in 1 Thessalonians 5:1, a new subject is introduced by Paul with the words, �Now as to� (peri de in Greek). This Greek phrase is one of Paul�s favorite ways in his letters to change subjects. So, it�s clear that he is finished focusing on the rapture. But what is the next subject in 5:1-9? The day of the Lord or coming time of tribulation.

�Now as to the times and the epochs, brethren, you have no need of anything to be written to you. For you yourselves know full well that the day of the Lord will come just like a thief in the night� (1 Thess 5:1-2). Why is this significant? Because of the order of the events. Which event is mentioned first the rapture or the tribulation? It�s the rapture first, then the tribulation or Day of the Lord. The tribulation is pictured as a separate andsubsequent event from the rapture.

The order is clear.

1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 The Rapture

1 Thessalonians 5:1-9 The Day of the Lord (Tribulation)

The rapture and the day of the Lord can hardly be parts of the same event asposttribulationists maintain.[6] The rapture comes before the day of the Lord in 1 Thessalonians 4—5.

�You� and �Them�

Third, in 1 Thessalonians 5:1-5 the interplay between the different audiences is critical, yet easy to miss. Read 1 Thessalonians 5:1-5 and notice the pronouns that are in italics (you probably never knew someone could get this excited about pronouns).

Now as to the times and the epochs, brethren, you have no need of anything to be written to you. For you yourselves know full well that the day of the Lord will come just like a thief in the night. While they are saying, �Peace and safety!� then destruction will come upon them suddenly like birth pangs upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. But you, brethren, are not in darkness, that they day should overtake you like a thief; for you are all sons of light and sons of the day. Weare not of night nor of darkness.

Notice the dramatic change in this setting between you and we (the believers) in the first and second person, and they and them (the unbelievers) in the third person. It�s striking. The wording indicates that when the tribulation comes there will be two groups of people each exclusive of the other. One group will be raptured, and the other will face destruction. The day of the Lord will come upon them, and they shall not escape (5:3). Then in 5:4 there�s a sudden contrast: �But you are not in the darkness.� They stand in sharp contrast to the believers in vv. 4-11 who will escape. This clear distinction between the unbelievers, who will not escape, and the believers, who will escape, is another strong indication that believers are exempt from the wrath of the day of the Lord.

An Appointment to Keep

Fourth, 1 Thessalonians 5:9 says clearly, �For God has not destined us for wrath, but for obtaining salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.� This verse is clear that we have an appointment with salvation, not wrath. Some maintain that this simply means that believers are not destined for the wrath of hell, but that we will be saved. However, there are two reasons why I don�t think that�s what this verse is referring to.

First, the Thessalonians already knew they were not destined for God�s wrath in hell. Paul had told them this very clearly in 1 Thessalonians 1:4. Second, in the context of 1 Thessalonians 5:1-8 what wrath has Paul just been talking about? Not the wrath of hell but the wrath of the tribulation or day of the Lord. In this context, that�s the wrath that believers will be delivered from. As Walvoord says, �In this passage he is expressly saying that our appointment is to be caught up to be with Christ; the appointment of the world is for the Day of the Lord, the day of wrath. One cannot keep both of these appointments.�[7]

Did the Apostle Paul Teach the Pre-Trib Rapture?

After writing his first letter to the Thessalonians, Paul had to write them another letter within a few months. The problem this time was that someone had written a spurious, counterfeit letter to the church at Thessalonica claiming that it was from Paul. In this false, forged epistle, the author had told the believers that they were already in the day of the Lord or tribulation period that Paul had discussed in 1 Thessalonians 5.

This spurious letter had deeply upset the Thessalonians. Their distress is evident in Paul�s words to them in 2 Thessalonians 2:1-2. �Now we request you, brethren, with regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and our gathering together to Him, that you be not quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a spirit or a message or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come.�

I believe this statement of Paul indicates that the Thessalonians expected that they would be raptured before the tribulation. Why do I say this? Think about it from the opposite angle. If the Thessalonians believed that they would have to endure the tribulation before Christ�s coming, then why would they have been so upset to receive a letter telling them that the day of the Lord had come? They would have been excited, not shaken and afraid. This would mean that what Paul had taught them was being fulfilled. They would have faced the tribulation with hope and endurance knowing that the coming of the Lord was less than seven years away.

But what was their response to being told that they were in the tribulation? The exact opposite. They were �shaken from their composure� and �disturbed.� The letter they had received contradicted what Paul had taught them in 1 Thessalonians 4—5. It didn�t square with what Paul had previously taught them about the timing of the rapture. Being told they were already in the tribulation caught them totally off guard. It shook them up and disturbed them. It caused a panic. It either meant that Paul had lied to them before about thepretrib rapture, they had totally misunderstood what he said, or that the rapture had already come, and they had been left behind. Any of these scenarios was devastating.

The only logical conclusion from 2 Thessalonians 2:1-2 is that from Paul�s previous teaching in 1 Thessalonians the Thessalonians must have believed that the rapture would occur before the beginning of the tribulation. Paul went on in 2 Thessalonians 2:3-11 to show the believers that the teaching that they were already in the day of the Lord was false doctrine and that their fears of being in this awful period were groundless.[8]

Kept from the Hour

In Revelation 3:10-11a the Lord�s promise of deliverance from the tribulation period is very specific. ��Because you have kept the word of My perseverance, I also will keep you from the hour of testing, that hour which is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth. I am coming quickly.��

Notice four important things about this promise. First, the Lord promises to keep believers �from� the time of testing. The words �keep from� are the English translation of the Greek words tereo ek. Pre-tribbers argue that this supports the notion of evacuation from the earth before the tribulation. Post-tribbers believe this passage teaches protection of the church on earth during the tribulation.

The English words �keep from� translate the Greek words tereo ek. Tereo is the Greek word for �keep, preserve, protect,� and the Greek preposition ek means �out of, out from within� Those who oppose the pre-trib view argue that the word ek here means �through;� thus, the Lord will keep believers �through� the time of tribulation not �out of� it. But if the Lord had meant that believers would be kept �through� the tribulation, He would have used the Greek preposition dia which carries this clear meaning. Furthermore, the only other use of tereo ek in the New Testament is in John 17:15, which says, �I do not ask thee to take them out of the world, but to keep them from the evil one.� (italics added) The usage of this identical phrase in John 17:15 supports the meaning of ek in Revelation 3:10 as �to keep from completely� or �out from within.�[9] God doesn�t keep His people through Satan—the evil one; he keeps us from Him.

Also, if Revelation 3:10 is a promise of protection for believers through the tribulation, then how does one explain Revelation 7:9-14 which presents millions of believers who are martyred during the tribulation? It�s much more consistent to understand Revelation 3:10 as a �keeping from� the wrath of God during the tribulation.

Second, the Lord promises to keep his people not just from, or out of, the testing but from the very �time� or hour of testing. Our exemption is not just from the trials of the tribulation but from the very tribulation itself. This means that the church will be exempt from the hour or very time period when this testing occurs, that is from the tribulation period itself. And it strongly supports the pre-trib notion of evacuation out of the tribulation, not the post-trib idea of protection through it.

Third, the time of testing that believers will miss is worldwide. It will �come upon the whole world.� What is this time of worldwide testing? In the context of the book of Revelation, it is clearly the tribulation period described in Revelation 4—18.

Fourth, after promising to deliver His people from the time of worldwide testing, Jesus gives the means of this protection from the hour of testing in Revelation 3:11. He tells us how this deliverance will be accomplished—��I am coming quickly.� Putting these four points together, it is clear that the Lord will protect His people from the time of worldwidetesting by His coming for them at the rapture.

Charles Ryrie gives an excellent illustration of the truth in Revelation 3:10.

As a teacher I frequently give exams. Let�s suppose that I announce an exam will occur on such and such a day at the regular class time. Then suppose I say, �I want to make a promise to students whose grade average for the semester so far is A. The promise is: I will keep you from the exam.�

Now I could keep my promise to those A students this way: I would tell them to come to the exam, pass out the exam to everyone, and give the A students a sheet containing the answers. They would take the exam and yet in reality be kept from the exam. They would live through the time but not suffer the trial. This isposttribulationism: protection while enduring.

But if I said to the class, �I am giving an exam next week. I want to make a promise to all the A students. I will keep you from the hour of the exam.� They would understand clearly that to be kept for the hour of the test exempts them from being present during that hour. This is pretribulationism, and this is the meaning of the promise of Revelation 3:10. And the promise came from the risen Savior who Himself is the deliverer of the wrath to come (1 Thessalonians 1:10).[10]

Thank God, we will kept from the hour of testing.

Calling the Ambassadors Home

Most Americans are well aware of what happened on December 7, 1941. It was �a day that will live in infamy.� The Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor inflicting heavy casualties on the U.S. Navy and crippling our Pacific fleet. Most people also know what happened on December 8, 1941. President Franklin D. Roosevelt called on Congress to make a formal declaration war against Japan and the axis powers of Germany and Italy. Most people probably don�t know what happened on December 9, 1941. President Roosevelt issued an order calling all of the U.S. ambassadors home from Japan, Germany, and Italy. Before he unleashed the full wrath of the American military machine on these nations, he wanted to make sure that no American civilians were in harm�s way. The wrath of America was for her enemies, not her own people. In the same way, before God declares war on this godless world at the beginning of the tribulation, unleashing his unmitigated wrath, He will call his ambassadors home (2 Cor 5:20).

God�s wrath is not for the citizens of his heavenly kingdom. It�s not for His own people.

Time Gap Between the Rapture and the Second Coming

Another important argument for the pre-trib rapture is the necessity of a time interval or gap between the rapture and the second coming. An interval or gap of time is needed between the rapture and the second coming in order to fit together many end time events predicted in the Bible in a logical and timely manner. These end time events can be harmonized by a pre-trib time gap of at least seven years, while other views, especiallyposttribulationists, are forced to come up with scenarios that would not realistically allow for a normal passage of time.[11] Here are a three end time events that point to a time interval between the rapture and the second coming of Christ.

The Judgment Seat of Christ

The New Testament teaches that all church age believers must appear before the judgment seat of Christ in heaven. This event is often known as the �Bema Judgment� from the Greek word bema which refers to a raised platform or step where awards were administered at the Greek games or the bar of justice where a judge presided. Second Corinthians 5:10 says, �For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may be recompensed for his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.�

The people at this judgment will be believers only. The context of 2 Corinthians 5:10 indicates that �we� refers to Paul and other believers. The purpose of the judgment seat of Christ is not to determine if a person is admitted to heaven or not. The purpose of the judgment seat of Christ is two-fold: to review and to reward. The Lord will review our conduct (Rom 14:10-12), service (1 Cor 3:13), words (Matt 12:36), thoughts, and motives (1 Corinthians 4:5) after we became a believer in Christ. Based on this review we will receive rewards from our gracious Lord. The place of this judgment is in heaven. The period of the bema judgment is right after the rapture (1 Cor 4:5).

Interestingly, the judgment seat of Christ is an event never mentioned in the detailed accounts connected with the Second Coming of Christ to the earth. Since such an evaluation like this would require some passage of time, the pre-trib gap of seven years between the rapture and the Second Coming would account for such a requirement.

Moreover, since Revelation 19:7-10 pictures the church as a bride who has been made ready for marriage (illustrated as �fine linen,� which represents �the righteous acts of the saints�) to her groom (Christ); and the bride has already been clothed in preparation for her return at the second coming accompanying Christ to the earth (Rev 19:11-18), it follows that the church would already have to be complete and in heaven (because of the pre-trib rapture) in order to have been prepared in the way that Revelation 19 describes. This requires an interval of time which pretribulationism handles well.

Life in the Millennial Kingdom

Another event or situation that requires some gap of time between the rapture and the second coming is the presence of believers in mortal, physical bodies during the 1,000 year reign of Christ on earth. The Bible teaches that when Christ returns to earth He will establish His kingdom on earth that will last for 1,000 years (Rev 20:1-6). Old Testament saints, church age believers and believers who died during the tribulation will all enter the millennial kingdom in new glorified bodies. Believers who come to faith in Christ during the tribulation and live until the Second Advent will enter the millennial kingdom of Christ in their natural, human bodies. They will carry on ordinary occupations such as farming and building houses, and they will bear children, populating the Messianic kingdom (Isa 65:20-25). Here is the problem. It would be impossible for people to enter the 1,000 year reign of Christ in natural bodies if all saints were caught up at the Second Coming, as posttribulationists teach. Why?Because everyone would already have a glorified body. There would not be anyone left in natural bodies to populate the kingdom.

However, because pretribulationists have at least a seven-year interval between the removal of the church at the rapture and the return of Christ to the earth, this is not a problem because millions of people will be saved during the interval and thus be available to populate the millennium in their natural bodies in order to fulfill Scripture.

The Sheep and the Goats

Matthew 25:31-46 is a sobering picture of the judgment of the Gentile nations on earth that will occur right after the Second Advent of Christ when Jesus sets up His throne on earth.

The people gathered at this judgment will be Gentiles who have survived the great tribulation. In describing this judgment Jesus said, �But when the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on His glorious throne. And all the nations will be gathered before Him; and He will separate them from one another, as the shepherd separates the sheep from the goats; and He will put the sheep on His right, and the goats on His left.�

At this great judgment event, Jesus will divide these Gentile believers into two categories—the sheep (believers) and the goats (unbelievers). What this means is that when Jesus returns at His second coming there will be both unbelievers and believers alive on the earth.

Why is this significant? If the rapture happens in conjunction with the Second Advent, as post-tribulationists say, and all living believers are caught up to heaven to meet Jesus and escort Him back to earth, then who are the sheep on earth when Jesus arrives? Everyone left on earth would be goats. There would not be any sheep. They would have all just been raptured.

To state it another way: How would both saved and unsaved, still in their natural bodies, be separated in judgment right after the second coming, if all living believers are caught up at the second coming? There would not be any need for Jesus to separate the sheep from the goats when He gets to earth because the rapture would have already accomplished the separation. But if the rapture occurs before the tribulation there would be time for many people to come to know the Lord during the tribulation. These tribulation believers would be the �sheep� of Matthew 25:31-46 when Jesus returns. Once again, the issue is solved by taking a pre-trib position with its gap of at least seven years.

A Post-trib Rapture is Meaningless

There is one final point I want to make in connection with this discussion about an interval or gap between the rapture and Second Advent. Post-tribulationists maintain that the rapture happens in conjunction with the Second Coming. Believers will be caught up to meet the Lord Jesus in the air as He is coming from heaven to judge the world. Then will come right back to earth with Him. But this raises a very important question that often gets overlooked in this discussion. If God has miraculously preserved the church throughout the entire tribulation, why even have a rapture? Why bother? It�s inconsequential. The Lord will not be delivering His bride from anything. There�s really no purpose in it. But if Christ comes before the tribulation, His coming is filled with purpose. He will rescue us from the wrath to come.

Conclusion

Of all the views of the timing of the rapture, pretribulationism does the best job handling the necessity of a time-gap to harmonize a number of future biblical events. This requirement of a seven-year gap of time is just one more point that proves the likelihood that pretribulationism best reflects the biblical viewpoint.

Removal of the Restrainer

Second Thessalonians 2:3-8 outlines and describes in broad terms three important ages that take us from the present age to eternity.

The Present Age The Age of Restraint

(Before the Rapture)

The Tribulation Age The Age of Rebellion

(After the Rapture)

The Messianic Age The Age of Revelation

(After the 2^nd Coming)

Amazingly, this present age in which we live is described as the time or age of restraint. There is something or someone who is restraining or holding back the full blast of evil that is to come when the Antichrist is unleashed. If this evil world we live in now is described as time of restraint what in the world will it be like when the restraint is removed? What will this world be like when all restraint against the Antichrist and his wickedness is taken out of the way? It will be like removing a dam from a lake—evil will overflow this world swamping everything in its path.

Who is the Restrainer?

The key question in this section of the God�s Word is—who or what is this person or entity who is restraining the appearance of the Antichrist? Down through the centuries many candidates have been suggested. Here is a list of the most important ones:

1. The Roman Empire

2. The Jewish State

3. The Apostle Paul

4. The Preaching of the Gospel

5. Human Government

6. Satan

7. Elijah

8. Some unknown heavenly being

9. Michael the archangel

10. The Holy Spirit

11. The Church

St. Augustine was transparent when he said concerning the restrainer, �I frankly confess I do not know what He means.� I can sympathize with Augustine, but I believe there are several points that help us identify the restrainer.

1. The Greek word katecho (�what is holding him back,� �the one who is holding it back� 2 Thessalonians 2:6-7) means to hold back or restrain.

2. The one who is holding back or restraining is both neuter and masculine.

neuter �what is holding him back� (a principle)

masculine �the one who is holding it back� (a person)

3. Whatever it is it must be removable.

4. It must be powerful enough to hold back the outbreak of evil under Antichrist.

In answering these four questions only one view is satisfactory. Just ask yourself this one question. Who is able to restrain evil and hold back the appearance of Antichrist? The answer of course is God. In this case it is God the Holy Spirit who is at work during this age in and through

God�s people, the church.

The main objection that is always mentioned when anyone identifies the restrainer as the Holy Spirit is that the Holy Spirit is omnipresent and cannot be removed from the earth. I agree.

The Holy Spirit is the third member of the triune Godhead. He is omnipresent and cannot be removed from the earth. Moreover, millions of people will be saved during the tribulation (Rev 7:9-14). The Holy Spirit must be present on earth during this time to convict sinners of their need for salvation and bring them to faith in Christ just as He does today. The convicting, drawing, regenerating ministry of the Holy Spirit is essential for anyone to be saved both now and in the tribulation (John 3:5; 16:7-11; 1 Cor 12:3b).

I believe the restrainer in 2 Thessalonians 2:6-7 is not just the Holy Spirit and not just the church. Rather, the one who holds back the onslaught of Satan is the restraining influence of God the Holy Spirit who presently restrains evil through the church. In Acts 2, the Holy Spirit came to earth in a new capacity that He had not fulfilled before. He was present on earth before that time. His came to fulfill a new ministry. The Spirit was present during creation according to Genesis 1:2, and was on earth all during Old Testament times to convict sinners and uniquely empower certain ones of God�s people. But on the day of Pentecost He came to earth with a new ministry—to indwell each individual believer and the church as a whole. He �came� to earth in a new capacity or new ministry. And the presence of the Spirit in all believers individually and corporately is the means God uses in this age to restrain evil. That restraining influence will be here as long as the church is here. The return of the Holy Spirit to heaven will not be a complete withdrawal from earth, but a return in the sense that He came at the very beginning of the church age.

There are four key reasons for identifying the one who holds it back as the restraining ministry of the Holy Spirit through the church.

1. This restraint requires omnipotent power.

2. This is the only view that adequately explains the change in gender in 2 Thessalonians 2:6-7. In Greek the word pneuma (Spirit) is neuter. But the Holy Spirit is also consistently referred to by the masculine pronoun �He� especially in John 14—16.

3. The Holy Spirit is spoken of in Scripture as restraining sin and evil in the world (Gen 6:3) and in the heart of the believer (Gal 5:16-17).

4. The church and its mission of proclaiming and portraying the gospel is the primary instrument the Holy Spirit uses in this age to restrain evil. We are the salt of the earth and the light of the world (Matt 5:13-16). We are the temple of the Holy Spirit both individually and corporately (1 Cor 3:17; 6:19; Eph 2:21-22).

The restrainer then is the restraining influence and ministry of the Holy Spirit indwelling and working through His people in this present age. Therefore, when the Spirit goes the church must go with Him. The great Bible teacher and expositor Donald GreyBarnhouse summarizes this view.

Well, what is keeping the Antichrist from putting in his appearance on the world stage? You are! You and every other member of the body of Christ on earth. The presence of the church of Jesus Christ is the restraining force that refuses to allow the man of lawlessness to be revealed. True, it is the Holy Spirit who is the real restrainer. But as both 1 Corinthians 3;16 and 6:19 teach, the Holy Spirit indwells the believer. The believer�s body is the temple of the Spirit of God. Put all believer�stogether then, with the Holy Spirit indwelling each of us, and you have a formidable restraining force.

For when the church is removed at the rapture, the Holy Spirit goes with the church insofar as His restraining power is concerned. His work in this age of grace will be ended. Henceforth, during the Great Tribulation, the Holy Spirit will still be here on earth, of course—for how can you get rid of God?—but He will not be indwelling believers as He does now. Rather, he will revert to His Old Testament ministry of �coming upon� special people.[12]

When the rapture occurs, the Spirit-indwelt church and its restraining influence

will be removed, and Satan will put his plan into full swing by bringing his man onto center

stage to take control of the world. The removal of the restrainer is another strong argument for the pre-trib rapture.

Imminency—the Any-Moment Rapture

I believe the strongest and probably the simplest point in favor of the pre-trib rapture is what is often called imminency. What do we mean by the word imminent? Or more importantly what is the biblical definition of this doctrine. The word imminent is not found in Scripture related to the rapture but is a theological term used to describe the nature of the rapture. The English word �imminent� is used most often to simply mean �soon� or �near.� But as a theological term pre-tribulationists mean something different when we use this word. When pretribulationists use this word we have three main ideas in mind.

First, imminency means that from the human perspective the rapture could occur at any moment. Other events may take place before the rapture, but no event must precede it. After all, if some event must happen before the rapture then the rapture could not happen at any moment; thus, it could not be imminent.[13] An imminent event, according to Charles Ryrie, is one that is, �impending, hanging over one�s head, ready to take place. An imminent event is one that is always ready to take place.�[14]

Second, imminency means that the rapture is a signless event. Since the rapture is an any- moment event, then it follows that one must be ready for it at any time, without any signs or warning. If signs have to precede it then it canot occur at any moment. The signs of Christ�s coming in the New Testament, such as Matthew 24, are signs of the Second Coming of Christ, not signs of the rapture. The rapture is a signless event.

Third, imminency means that the rapture is certain to happen but not necessarily soon. Imminent does not mean soon. Prophecy expert Renald Showers clarifies this point. �A person cannot legitimately say that an imminent event will happen soon. The term �soon� implies that an event must take place �within a short time (after a particular point of time specified or implied).� By contrast, an imminent event may take place within a short time, but it does not have to do so in order to be imminent. As I hope you can see by now, �imminent� is not equal to soon.�[15]

Imminency, therefore, combines two key conditions: certainty and uncertainty. An imminent event is one that is certain to occur, but the timing of which is uncertain.[16]Therefore, those who believe in the pre-trib rapture should carefully avoid saying things like, �Jesus is coming soon!� Or, �The rapture is going to happen very soon.� It may happen soon, but it may not. We simply do not know for sure. What we ought to say instead is, �From our human perspective, the rapture can happen at any moment—it could happen today.� I think this more accurately reflects the Biblical teaching of imminency.

Imminency in the New Testament

The central question is—�Does the New Testament really teach the idea ofimminency?� We have defined it. But do we find this idea in the Bible? Here are some key passages that I believe teach this truth.

� 1 Corinthians 1:7–�awaiting eagerly the revelation of our Lord Jesus Christ,�

� 1 Corinthians 16:22–�Maranatha.�

� Philippians 3:20–�For our citizenship is in heaven, from which also we eagerly wait for a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ;�

� Philippians 4:5–�The Lord is near.�

� 1 Thessalonians 1:10–�to wait for His Son from heaven,�

� Titus 2:13–�looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus;�

� Hebrews 9:28–�so Christ . . . shall appear a second time for salvation without reference to sin, to those who eagerly await Him.�

� James 5:7-9–�Be patient, therefore, brethren, until the coming of the Lord. . . .for the coming of the Lord is at hand. . . . behold, the Judge is standing right at the door.�

� 1 Peter 1:13 �fix your hope completely on the grace to be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ.�

� Jude 21 �waiting anxiously for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to eternal life.�

All of these Scriptures refer to the rapture and speak of it as though it could occur at any moment. It is something we are always to be looking for. Because we are looking for a person— the Lord Jesus Christ—not signs or an event. We are �waiting for His Son from heaven� (1 Thessalonians 1:10).

Arguments Against Imminency

While these Scriptures seem to clearly present the idea of imminency or an any-moment coming of Christ, there are some who challenge this notion and argue that the New Testament does not teach that Jesus could come at any time. Three main arguments againstimminency are commonly given.

First, it is alleged that since the gospel had to be preached throughout the world before Christ could return, He couldn�t return at any moment (Acts 1:8). We must remember the powerful driving force of missions in the early church. By A.D. 50 the gospel had already penetrated into Europe. This fulfilled the requirement of the gospel going to the uttermost parts of the earth. Also, in writing to the Thessalonians Paul included himself when he spoke of the rapture. He said �we who alive and remain.� Evidently, he didn�t see anything standing in the way of Christ coming during his lifetime or at any moment.

Second, opponents of imminency maintain that John 21:18-19 precludes an any-moment rapture because it says that Peter had to live to be an old man. However, Peter himself encouraged believers to look for the coming of the Lord (1 Pet1:13; 4:7). He knew that he might die suddenly (2 Pet 1:14). Also, other believers expected Peter�s early death, because when Rhoda told the believers in Acts 12 the news of his release from prison, they said, �You are out of your mind,� and when he appeared to them "they saw him and were amazed� (Acts 12:15-16). They apparently had no concept that he would be a long life. As they looked for the Lord�s coming they certainly did not walk around every day asking, �I wonder if Peter is dead yet?� Moreover, the passage in John 21 was not even written and circulated to the churches until fifteen to twenty years after Peter was already dead, so John 21:18-19 is not an impediment to imminency.

A third argument against imminency is that the Temple had to be destroyed before Christ returned (Matt 24:1-3). It must be remembered that in Matthew 24 Jesus was not discussing the Rapture or the Church since the church was still a mystery and had not yet been revealed, much less established. There is nothing in Matthew 24 which relates the destruction of the Temple to the timing of the Rapture, nor remotely suggests that it must happen first.

Jesus May Come Today!

The Rapture is presented in the New Testament as an event that from man�s viewpoint could occur at any moment, and believers are to be looking for it all the time. Only the pre‑trib position allows for an imminent, any moment, signless coming of Christ for his own. Only those who believe in a pre-trib rapture can honestly say, �Jesus may come today.� Since the tribulation period has not started yet, for mid-tribbers the rapture must be at least 3 ½ years away, for pre-wrathers it must be at least 5 ½ years away and for post-tribbers it is at least 7 years down the road.

The any moment coming of Christ is one of the truths in the New Testament that is to fill us with hope, anticipation and motivation to godly living. Believers should live with this hope every day—the hope that Jesus may come today! Only the pre-trib view allows for this blessed hope (Titus 2:13). Donald Grey Barnhouse used the old song Is it the Crowning Day? to make the point.

Jesus may come today, Glad day! Glad day!

And I would see my friend; Dangers and troubles would end

If Jesus should come today.

Glad day! Glad day! Is it the crowning day?

I�ll live for today, nor anxious be,

Jesus, my Lord, I soon shall see;

Glad day! Glad day! Is it the crowning day?

To drive home the point that only the pre-trib view is consistent with imminency, Dr.Barnhouse loved to point out that if mid-tribbers or post-tribbers sang this song they would have to say,

Jesus can�t come today, Sad day! Sad day!

And I won�t see my friend; Dangers and troubles won�t end

Because Jesus can�t come today.

Sad day! Sad day! Today is not the crowning day?

I won�t live for today, and anxious I�ll be,

The Beast and the False Prophet I soon shall see,

Sad day! Sad day! Today is not the crowning day?

We may get a laugh out of this parody. But it�s true. The pre-trib view is the only view that honestly holds that Jesus could come today. The any moment coming of Christ.

One time I asked the late Dr. John Walvoord to tell me the simplest, easiest way to prove the truth of the pre-trib rapture to another person. He responded without hesitation, and said that all you have to do is ask a person two simple questions. First, ask the person, �Do you believe that Jesus is coming back to rapture His people to heaven?� If the person says, �Yes,� then pose a second question. �Do you believe that the rapture could occur at any moment. That Jesus could come back today.� If the person responds, �Yes,� then Dr. Walvoord said, �Then tell the person—you are a pretribulationist!� He was absolutely correct. Only a pre-tribber can legitimately believe in the any moment coming of Christ—that the rapture could happen today.

The early church had a special watchword or password they would use to identify themselves to one another. They used this word as a special greeting. This word, that appears only one time in the New Testament, was Maranatha (1 Cor 16:22). It is an Aramaic word that the pagans who spoke Greek couldn�t understand. It consists of three Aramaic words: Mar (Lord), ana (our), and tha (come). Therefore, it�s a kind of one-word prayer—�our Lord, come.�

Obviously, Maranatha only makes sense in light of the imminent coming of Christ. Why say Maranatha (�our Lord, come�) if you know that Christ can�t come for at least 3 ½ — 7 years as the other views of the rapture teach? It�s beautiful that the early church coined this greeting to reflect their hourly hope, eager expectation, and ardent anticipation of the rapture. No doubt this expectation was a powerful incentive for personal purity and evangelism. Think of how it would change the church today if we were to return to this form of greeting our brothers and sisters in Christ. Think of how it would change our lives if this simple greeting was always on the lips of an expectant people.[17] Maranatha!

Blessed Hope

The truth of the rapture is intended to be a comfort and blessing to the Lord�s people. It is consistently presented in the New Testament as a sure hope that God�s people are to anxiously anticipate. Here are three of the key passages that present the blessing and comfort of the rapture.

In John 14:1-3, Jesus said,

Do not let your heart be troubled; believe in God, believe also in Me. In My Father�s

house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you: for I go to

prepare a place for you. If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive

you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also.

Titus 2:13 says, �looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus.� In 1 Thessalonians 4:18, after describing the rapture, Paul concludes with this gentle reminder: �Therefore comfort one another with these words.� The doctrine of the rapture is a soothing balm for troubled hearts. It�s a blessing and consolation for the Lord�s people.

Stop and think about this for a moment. If Paul taught a mid-trib, pre-wrath or post-trib rapture would the truth of the rapture really be that comforting? If God�s people have to endure 3 ½ years, 5 ½ years or all 7 years of the tribulation before He comes, how much of a comfort would the rapture be? If we must face the tribulation before He comes, Jesus would have to change the words, �Let not your hearts be troubled� in John 14:1 to, �Let your heart be troubled.� Knowing we had to live through the tribulation would be troubling to say the least.

Ask yourself these simple questions? How comforting would it be to know that Jesus was coming after 3 ½ or 7 years of hell on earth? What would it be like to at the graveside of a loved one, hear the pastor read the beautiful words in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17, and then say, �And after we endure part or all of the Tribulation, Jesus will come and rapture us to heaven and reunite us to our loved ones—comfort one another with these words?� Could you honestly get excited about the rapture if you knew that you had to endure a time on earth when all the judgments of Revelation 6—16 were being poured out? A time when the Antichrist will be enforcing his mark and you and your family would be denied the right to buy or sell.

A Quick Comparison

Let�s suppose for a moment that the rapture will occur at the middle or the end of the tribulation. I know that�s a scary thought. But bear with me for a minute. What would we expect to find in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18? And how does this compare with what we find in these verses? First, we would expect the Thessalonians to be rejoicing that their loved ones had already died and gone to heaven and wouldn�t have to endure the terror of the tribulation. However, in 1 Thessalonians 4 the believers are grieving because they fear that their loved ones will miss the rapture. Only a pretribulation rapture makes sense out of their grief.

Second, we would expect the Thessalonians to be upset about their own impending trial in the tribulation rather than sorrowing over their deceased loved ones. We would expect them to be asking for details about the tribulation and the Antichrist. However, the Thessalonians have no fear or questions about the coming day of wrath or the Antichrist. Why? They were looking for Christ, not Antichrist.

Third, we would expect Paul, in view of their grief over their deceased loved ones, to remind them that their present grief was inconsequential in light of the future time of trouble that�s coming. However, there�s not even a hint of any impending tribulation for them. What we find in 1 Thessalonians 4 fits the pre-trib position like a glove, but it�s totally incompatible with either midtribulationism or posttribulationism.[18] The blessed hope of the rapture is that Jesus will come and take us to be with Him forever before the time of worldwide devastation is unleashed.

And what a comfort and blessing it is!

MARANATHA!

[1] Seven key clues in Revelation reveal that the 24 elders represent the church or body of Christ.

The title - They are called elders (presbuteros) who in Scripture are the representatives of God�s people.

We get our English word �Presbyterian� from this word.In the New Testament the elders of a church are its

representatives. These 24 elders represent the glorified church in heaven.

The number - The Levitical priesthood in the Old Testament numbered in the thousands (1Chron 24). Since all of the priests could not worship in the temple at the same time the priesthood was divided into 24 groups, and a representative of each group served in the temple on a rotating basis every two weeks. While the nation of Israel was a kingdom of priests (Ex 19:6), only Aaron�s sons were allowed to enter God�s presence. However, all believers in the church are priests unto God (1 Pet 2:5,9). These 24 elders therefore are representative of the entire church of Jesus Christ.

The position - They are seated on thrones. Enthronement with Christ is promised to the church (Rev 3:21).

The crowns - Angels are never pictured in Scripture wearing crowns, yet church age believers will receive crowns at the judgment seat of Christ (Rev. 2:10). The elders also cannot include saved Israel because Old Testament believers will not be resurrected and rewarded until after the tribulation is over (Dan 12:1-3).

The clothing - The white clothing of the elders is the clothing of the redeemed in the church age (Rev 3:5, 18; 19:8)

The praise - Only believers in the present church age can sing the song the elders sing in Revelation 5:9-8.

The distinction - The elders are clearly distinguished from angels in Revelation 5:11.

[2] John F. Walvoord, The Return of the Lord (Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 1955), p. 88. The quotation and the first six contrasts in the comparison above are taken from pp. 87-88 of Walvoord�s The Return.

[3] John F MacArthur, The Second Coming (Wheaton, IL: Crossway Books, 1999), 87.

[4] In Revelation, there are three series of seven judgments – the seals, trumpets, and bowls. This, of course, equals 21. But since the seventh seal contains the seven trumpets and the seventh trumpet contains the seven bowls, the total number of specific judgments is actually 19 rather than 21.

[5] J. F. Strombeck, First the Rapture: The Church�s Blessed Hope (Moline, IL: Strombeck Agency, 1950; reprint, Grand Rapids: Kregel Publications, 1992), 133.

[6] Gleason L. Archer, �The Case for the Mid-Seventieth Week Rapture,� in The Rapture: Pre-, Mid-, or Post-Tribulational? (Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 1984), 117-18.

[7] John F. Walvoord, The Thessalonian Epistles (Grand Rapids: Zondervan Publishing House, n.d.), 54.

[8] John F. Walvoord, The Thessalonian Epistles (Grand Rapids: Zondervan Publishing House, n.d.), 73.

[9] For a thorough discussion of this issue and many other issues related to the timing of the rapture see, Gleason L. Archer, Jr. Paul D. Feinberg, et al, The Rapture: Pre-, Mid-, or Post-Tribulational? (Grand Rapids, MI: Academie Books, 1984), 63-71.

[10] Charles C. Ryrie, Come Quickly, Lord Jesus (Eugene, OR: Harvest House Publishers, 1996), 137-38.

[11] Of course, the mid-tribulation view and the pre-wrath view also allow for a time gap between the rapture and the second coming. For the midtrib view the interval is 3 ½ years, and for the pre-wrath view it�s about 1 ½ years. But the time gap of at least seven years for the pre-trib view is the best alternative.

[12] Donald Grey Barnhouse, Thessalonians: An Expositional Commentary (Grand Rapids: Zondervan Publishing House, 1977), 99-100.

[13] Thomas Ice, �Imminency and the Any Moment Rapture,� Pre-Trib Perspectives (October 1999), 3.

[14] Charles C. Ryrie, Come Quickly, Lord Jesus (Eugene, OR: Harvest House Publishers, 1996), 22.

[15] Renald Showers, Maranatha Our Lord Come! A Definitive Study of the Rapture of the Church(Bellmawr, N.J.: The Friends of Israel Gospel Ministry, Inc., 1995), 127-28.

[16] Renald Showers, Maranatha Our Lord Come! A Definitive Study of the Rapture of the Church(Bellmawr, N.J.: The Friends of Israel Gospel Ministry, Inc., 1995), 127.

[17] Thomas Ice, �Imminency and the Any-Moment Rapture,� Pre-Trib Perspectives (October 1999), 4.

[18] Richard Mayhue, First and Second Thessalonians (Great Britain, Christian Focus, 1999), 218-19

Article Options

Download PDF

Related Books

Pre-Trib Research Center

John S · June 14, 2013

Angels4u - I'm positive.

Besides,if I'm wrong, it doesn't matter. I was probably going to die anyway. WHEN you are proven to be wrong, your whole spiritual life will come crashing down on you - with horrific results.

June 14, 2013

.... WHEN you are proven to be wrong, your whole spiritual life will come crashing down on you - with horrific results....

Not Likely Beloved

Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?

But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen: And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.

Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not. For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised: And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.

Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished. If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable. 1 Corinthians 15:12-19

Not Likely

But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 1 Corinthians 15:20-26

Maranatha~!

Sign In

Join Worthy Christian Forums today!

Dr Thomas Ice - Imminency and the Any -Moment Rapture

Recommended Posts

Link to comment

Share on other sites

Top Posters In This Topic

Popular Days

Top Posters In This Topic

Popular Days

Popular Posts

rollinTHUNDER

Guest

iamlamad

Link to comment

Share on other sites

Link to comment

Share on other sites

Link to comment

Share on other sites

Link to comment

Share on other sites

Link to comment

Share on other sites

Link to comment

Share on other sites

Link to comment

Share on other sites

Link to comment

Share on other sites

Guest

Link to comment

Share on other sites

Recently Browsing 0 members

Our picks

Picked By

Picked By

Picked By

Picked By

Picked By