2012

[kross]

When Christ said that no man knows, he meant no man. Not no man that I am talking to, but no man period. Will we ever have a better idea as to when? Yes, Will we know the day or hour? No.

The point you are not getting is Jesus never said we will never know.

Let's take a closer look at the scripture, the words and the meaning of these words.

Matthew 24:36 (King James Version)

But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

knoweth:

Strong's Number: 1492

Eido

1. to see

1. to perceive with the eyes

2. to perceive by any of the senses

3. to perceive, notice, discern, discover

4. to see

1. i.e. to turn the eyes, the mind, the attention to anything

2. to pay attention, observe

3. to see about something

2. i.e. to ascertain what must be done about it

1. to inspect, examine

2. to look at, behold

1. to experience any state or condition

2. to see i.e. have an interview with, to visit 3. to know

1. to know of anything

2. to know, i.e. get knowledge of, understand, perceive

1. of any fact

2. the force and meaning of something which has definite meaning

3. to know how, to be skilled in

3. to have regard for one, cherish, pay attention to

no:

Strong's Number: 3762

Oudeis

1. no one, nothing

The whole phrase is seen in this form of communication:

The New Testament Greek Lexicon

Strong's Number: 5758 Tense, Voice and Mood

Word Tense

Perfect

The perfect tense in Greek corresponds to the perfect tense in English, and describes an action which is viewed as having been completed in the past, once and for all, not needing to be repeated.

Jesus' last cry from the cross, TETELESTAI ("It is finished!") is a good example of the perfect tense used in this sense, namely "It [the atonement] has been accomplished, completely, once and for all time."

Certain antiquated verb forms in Greek, such as those related to seeing (eidw) or knowing (oida) will use the perfect tense in a manner equivalent to the normal past tense. These few cases are exception to the normal rule and do not alter the normal connotation of the perfect tense stated above.

Word Mood

Indicative

The indicative mood is a simple statement of fact. If an action really occurs or has occurred or will occur, it will be rendered in the indicative mood.

With this information, I bring to you that no one will ever have knowledge of the day or hour, and does not need to be repeated, being said once and for all.

We will just have to disagree, though I will not accuse you of twisting the scripture to meet your desired doctinal understanding.

The greek text and reference materials I have do not agree with your reference materials with regard to tense. The word Knoweth is a past tense word that is used with a neutral (or Fem.) counter part. The interpretation of this being a perfect tense (which doesn't seem to fit the structure at all), rather than present tense, does not seem to be held up by what I am reading. I will have to ask my expert whenever this seems important enough.

[BlindSeeker]

Jesus is God

Ezekiel, you must stop confusing the issue with facts . . .

[Guest Yacov]

No man knows either day OR the hour. You can calculate until Gehenna becomes an ice rink, you won't be right. When will we Believers get it through our thick skulls that it's on GOD's time, not ours. Yeshua must be held in heaven until the restoration of all things (Acts 3:21).

Gog and Magog are doing their thing, so it may not be too long, but to say this day or that year is inviting yourself to being made to look silly. It won't catch US unaware because we are in Messiah. It's the godless who will be caught with their hands in the cookie jar.

Dear Bold Beleiver,

When Yeshua said to his disciples, "No man knwos the day or the hour," He was telling them specifically when His return was according to a Jewish saying of the time. It comes from the counting of the moon that the High Priests had to do to calculate G-d's calendar every month. The Jewish New Year in the Fall of 2015 by all calculations should be the 7th Day according to G-d.

[Guest Yacov]

No on knows the exact timing except God (according to Jesus).

JESUS really said no one knew the exact time at the time HE said it. HE never said no one would ever know the day or the hour, HE just said no one did at that time.

That is twisting scripture. Is not God the same yesterday, today and tomorrow? By your words, every piece of scripture holds no water for today, for it was written for those that lived back in the day and has no truthful meaning for any of us today.

Actually it is twisting scripture to say that Jesus said no one will ever know the day or hour because that is not what He said. He said exactly what kross said He said that no one knew the day and hour. He never said no one will ever know the day or hour. Matter of fact He went on to say that the day of the 2nd coming would be like the days of Noah, the wicked didn't know the flood was coming but Noah knew exactly what day it would come, Thus will it been when the son of man comes. the wicked will be taken off guard the righteous will be ready and waiting.

Matthew 24:36-39

36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Wish I would have read this before I replied.

You quote and agree on a verse, but do not see ... Verse 36 tells us. When Jesus said no man, He meant it. Are we not a man?

Actually it is you that reads yet does not see. He said no mans knows (present tense). He never said no man will ever know. To say that He said something He didn't say would be, hmm how did you put it, twisting scripture.

Oh, I see. So, the very next day someone could know. That, is the twist in your understanding. Tell me then, can either of you tell me the day and hour? Many people have tried, but have failed and proven to be false.

Not even Jesus knows that-only God.Shiloh62

That is NOT a true statement. Jesus knew and so did his disciples.

[EricH]

No on knows the exact timing except God (according to Jesus).

JESUS really said no one knew the exact time at the time HE said it. HE never said no one would ever know the day or the hour, HE just said no one did at that time.

That is twisting scripture. Is not God the same yesterday, today and tomorrow? By your words, every piece of scripture holds no water for today, for it was written for those that lived back in the day and has no truthful meaning for any of us today.

Actually it is twisting scripture to say that Jesus said no one will ever know the day or hour because that is not what He said. He said exactly what kross said He said that no one knew the day and hour. He never said no one will ever know the day or hour. Matter of fact He went on to say that the day of the 2nd coming would be like the days of Noah, the wicked didn't know the flood was coming but Noah knew exactly what day it would come, Thus will it been when the son of man comes. the wicked will be taken off guard the righteous will be ready and waiting.

Matthew 24:36-39

36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Wish I would have read this before I replied.

You quote and agree on a verse, but do not see ... Verse 36 tells us. When Jesus said no man, He meant it. Are we not a man?

Actually it is you that reads yet does not see. He said no mans knows (present tense). He never said no man will ever know. To say that He said something He didn't say would be, hmm how did you put it, twisting scripture.

Oh, I see. So, the very next day someone could know. That, is the twist in your understanding. Tell me then, can either of you tell me the day and hour? Many people have tried, but have failed and proven to be false.

Not even Jesus knows that-only God.Shiloh62

Jesus is God

Then what did Jesus mean when he said only the Father knows?

[EricH]

No on knows the exact timing except God (according to Jesus).

JESUS really said no one knew the exact time at the time HE said it. HE never said no one would ever know the day or the hour, HE just said no one did at that time.

That is twisting scripture. Is not God the same yesterday, today and tomorrow? By your words, every piece of scripture holds no water for today, for it was written for those that lived back in the day and has no truthful meaning for any of us today.

Actually it is twisting scripture to say that Jesus said no one will ever know the day or hour because that is not what He said. He said exactly what kross said He said that no one knew the day and hour. He never said no one will ever know the day or hour. Matter of fact He went on to say that the day of the 2nd coming would be like the days of Noah, the wicked didn't know the flood was coming but Noah knew exactly what day it would come, Thus will it been when the son of man comes. the wicked will be taken off guard the righteous will be ready and waiting.

Matthew 24:36-39

36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Wish I would have read this before I replied.

You quote and agree on a verse, but do not see ... Verse 36 tells us. When Jesus said no man, He meant it. Are we not a man?

Actually it is you that reads yet does not see. He said no mans knows (present tense). He never said no man will ever know. To say that He said something He didn't say would be, hmm how did you put it, twisting scripture.

Oh, I see. So, the very next day someone could know. That, is the twist in your understanding. Tell me then, can either of you tell me the day and hour? Many people have tried, but have failed and proven to be false.

Not even Jesus knows that-only God.Shiloh62

That is NOT a true statement. Jesus knew and so did his disciples.

Then explain this:

Now concerning that day and hour no one knows-- neither the angels in heaven, nor the Son-- except the Father only.

(Mat 24:36 CSB)

[Guest Yacov]

No on knows the exact timing except God (according to Jesus).

[OneLight]

(Zohar 1:117b-118a)

Are you of the teaching of Kabbalah?

[kross]

4) According to the ancient Rabbinical text called the Zohar, "he said to them, 'Perhaps you were examining the letters that deal with the coming of the Messiah? It is not the will of the Holy One, blessed be He, to reveal too much to the world. But when the days of the Messiah approach, even children will be able to discover secrets of wisdom, and through them be able to calculate the time of the end; then it will be revealed to all.'" (Zohar 1:117b-118a)

I do not know this book, but I do believe that is what GOD has told me.

[OneLight]

4) According to the ancient Rabbinical text called the Zohar, "he said to them, 'Perhaps you were examining the letters that deal with the coming of the Messiah? It is not the will of the Holy One, blessed be He, to reveal too much to the world. But when the days of the Messiah approach, even children will be able to discover secrets of wisdom, and through them be able to calculate the time of the end; then it will be revealed to all.'" (Zohar 1:117b-118a)

I do not know this book, but I do believe that is what GOD has told me.

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