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If purgatory is true then the 'catholic' Christ didn't accomplish anything on the cross, wasted his time and died for nothing. The 'catholic' Christ should have hired a pro instead of doing the job himself. The Christ of Christianity is the Pro. He got the job on the cross done right the first time. And.....He did it for free! Purgatory is a man-made money-making thing invented by the unbiblical rcc. Heb 1:3 "When He had by Himself PURGED OUR SINS.". Rom 8:1 "There is therefor now NO CONDEMNATION to them that are in Christ Jesus.". Psalms 49:7 "None of them can redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him.". Dont forget Prov 10:12 which never mentions purgatory. Acts 4:12 "Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” Listen, we are PURGED OF OUR SINS ( not some, ALL ) by the blood of Jesus Christ. Heb 1:3, Rom 8:1 and John 5:24. Remember "there is no more condemnation when Jesus passed over our sins and paid the ultimate penalty for us." Why didnt the apostles ever discuss purgatory? 2 Cor 5:8 There is no mention of purgatory here. In Luke 16:19-31, Jesus reveals there is a great gulf between hell and paradise that people cannot pass from one to the other. Catholics defend purgatory by quoting the uninspired 2 Mac 12:40-46 where a "sin offering" is offered for dead soldiers who had committed the sin of idolatry. This not only contradicts the Bible, but also catholic teaching, because idolatry is a "mortal sin" that would confine a person to hell. An ex-nun said the only purgatory that exists is the priests' pockets.

Purgatory again (another look) I am shy being here. Though I do post, I do not use scripture the way many do on this site. It seems that each person has their own string of scripture quotes and they then face off with another opponent with their grouping of scriptures and then talk or argue and at times scream at each other over each ones interpretation. I think that is fine, it is how things are often done when talking about the bible. Though here the level of charity seems to be very high, so I have come to respect everyone, even those who disagree with me for we are all one in Christ Jesus….or least I believe that. I tend not to us scripture that way; I feel that it is a waste of time and effort, since it is not possible to change anyone’s mind on just about anything. However people do mature and change over the years. Those who do not, their rigidity can isolate them in their surety and they in the end do little good to reach others. We can fail to see others if we think we are in some way infallible in our interpretation of scripture and those who disagree with us simply do not have the Holy Spirit and perhaps they are on the way to hell. How we love to send others to hell. It says something about the human heart, its inner conflict to actually love as Christ tells us, yet to use hell as a way to dispose of those we don’t agree with. I find it a horror if truth be told. Christ Jesus came to save, yet often, Christians want to make hell as full as possible…though Christ told us not to judge for a reason, because we really, really suck at it. To me the term “Purgatory” represent a state of being and not some place of imprisonment. ““The term does not indicate a place, but a condition of existence”--- John Paul II. God the Father in Christ Jesus is calling all to a loving relationship. All relationships that have any real love in them, and even those with those we struggle with have a purgatorial aspect to them, they bring out our own inner wounds and struggles to be able to love and to be present with others. The more self centered we are, for instance, the deeper the struggle to become free enough to have an actual loving contact with others. This takes humility, the letting go of blame and a radical acceptance that we are not victims if we choose to understand that most of our problems are based on an inability to love. So it is with our relationship with God the Father as revealed to us by Christ Jesus. I believe that like Jacob we wrestle with God. And like Jacob we are wounded when we do that by God, it causes us to limp. We are made aware of our fragility when God slowly heals us of our self centeredness; we are lead to make choices that cause inner struggle and conflict with ourselves. This is another form of purification and death to self…..this is another purgatorial state. In the Gospel of Luke Jesus says this: Luke 3:16-17 John answered and said to them all, "As for me, I baptize you with water; but One is coming who is mightier than I, and I am not fit to untie the thong of His sandals; He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. His winnowing fork is in His hand to thoroughly clear His threshing floor and to gather the wheat into His barn; but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire." This verse can be looked at on different levels. One level is that in our own souls, the chaff will be burned away (be healed) by the infinite fire of God’s love, which is unquenchable. St. Paul talks about that as well: “For no other foundation can any one lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if any one builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw — each man’s work will become manifest; for the day will disclose it, because it will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. If the work which any man has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. If any man’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire”. (1 Corinthians 3:11-15) So the experience of purgatory is in actuality Gods love continuing the work of salvation in the soul. As we suffer in this life in the dying to self, so it continues if we do not trust or allow God’s love to fill us. If we fear the letting go, it is grace that allows this to continue in purgatory “The fire of loss is the fire of Hell. The saving fire is the purgative fire of Purgatory. The purgative, saving fire brings a soul to full holiness; for “without holiness, no one will see the Lord” (Hebrews 12:14). This is why a soul who desires to dwell with God and glorify God desires to be purified before seeing the face of the Lord. A soul burden with the residuals of sin is encumbered in its ability to glorify God. Through His infinite mercy, God purges the residuals of sin with fire and lovingly draws the soul in. Oh, how our souls should yearn for the fire of Christ’s scared heart, a heart that burns with love and mercy! Oh, to be consumed and purified by the fires of His heart.” I don’t expect this to change any ones mind about the reality of purgatory. However purgatory is still based on God’s saving grace. Souls still being purified are saved by Jesus Christ, it is God who heals and brings his work to completion. I pray for the souls in purgatory because they are still on the way, as I pray for all my brothers and sisters in this world…..Christ calls us each to grow in love and compassion. We are a royal priesthood and Christ Jesus also works in and though us. We are his hands and his feet, his mouthpiece, for we have died and it is Christ Jesus who continues his saving work in our souls, all we need do is to open our hearts and that will lead to praying and loving all others…..judgment is God’s alone, for he is infinite truth and love. So I pray for the salvation of all and am at peace. In judging others, I am only judging myself.

Does Purgatory exists or not? So many people say it does but where in the Bible can I find the proof of its existance? I use the KJV Bible and texts must please be supplied to prove your point.