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This is incorrect. Wrath is not mentioned. At the end of Rev 11 we see he comes to his end before the great tribulation, and tribulation is before wrath. Rev 11 45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him. Rev 12 1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. 2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

See the last post on page 20. You got it. They are likely on the dead in Christ that rise first. You got it. He is coming in an hour that you think not. Nothing chiseled in stone for you to tell exactly when He is coming. If Jesus is passing out crowns before He comes then talk to Him. He said His reward is with Him. Yeah....er ah.....ok. Then those 24 elders are tossing those metaphors at before the throne. If you are correct, they just tossed away eternal life. Revelation 4 10 The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying, Your non sequitur comment is non sequitur. It's as simple as some see, some don't. There are five wise and five foolish.

Yes, a day for a year. Yes, the 5th year will leave another year after wrath. The feasts of God are a shadow of things to come. The Church must be raptured and that will occur after the 70th week begins. Then the Feast of Trumpets will happen at the sixth seal where the 12 tribes across the earth is raptured and then the 1 year wrath. That would leave the day of atonement.

Now that's a very good question. The 6th seal will likely begin on the Feast of Trumpets on the 5th day of the 7oth week.

Fortunately, we are at the time of the end and the book is now unsealed.

Brother, I have not changed my pretribulation rapture view to the 6th seal. I believe there are two raptures, as the fig tree has two harvests. The fathers of Israel were supposed to be the first fruits of the first harvest, but they served Baalpeor and will not be the first harvest. The Gentiles will be the first harvest. Hosea 9 10 I found Israel like grapes in the wilderness; I saw your fathers as the firstripe in the fig tree at her first time: but they went to Baalpeor, and separated themselves unto that shame; and their abominations were according as they loved. After the fullness of the Gentiles comes in, part of Israel, the seed of the woman, the twelve tribes across the earth will have their eyes opened. Romans 11 25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. After the Church is raptured, Pretrib, there needs to be first fruits of the second harvest, hence the 144,000 first fruits from the 12 tribes. So the Church is already in heaven pretrib and then the second harvest is the 12 tribes across the earth...........at the 6th seal. That harvest is seen here. Revelation 14 14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle. 15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe. 16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped. It is the twelve tribes across the earth that the dragon goes after when he cannot get to the woman Israel. The twelve tribes across the earth are the seed of the woman that keeps the commandments of God and has testimony of Jesus Christ. Revelation 12 17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. This is why those that get victory over the beast by the blood of the lamb during the tribulation are singing the song of Moses. They are Jews (of the twelve tribes) Revelation 15 2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God. 3 And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints. So there are two raptures as there are two harvests, grain and fruit. Jacob had two brides. One coming like the days of Noah and another coming like the days of Lot. One coming at the trump of God or voice of God and one coming at the Last Trump blown on the Feast of the trumpet. One coming, the Lord Himself comes and one coming He sends His angel. Two raptures, the Church before the tribulation and the 12 tribes across the earth at the 6th seal, prewrath. The woman Israel, will remain on the earth during the wrath of God in a place of protection. I cannot agree that there are 7 years of tribulation. There is a 70th week of Daniel where God turns His attention to Israel but Noah was sealed in the ark somewhere within the 7 days. We know he spent the 1st day of the seven loading animals and I believe the Church will spend the 1st day of the 7 gathering believers to the ark. Secondly I do not believe that the wrath of God has anything to do with the tribulation. The tribulation is over at the 6th seal, and then the 7th seal is opened and the wrath of God begins. Immediately after the tribulation...........which occurs at the 6th seal......Jesus comes. Matthew 24 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Wrath has not started when the tribulation is over and will not begin until the 7th seal is opened. No. It is not wrath..........it is tribulation.........and it will be on the Jews. Any Gentiles on the earth after the pretrib rapture will be given strong delusion and believe the lie. The only Gentiles between the pre trib rapture and the prewrath rapture will be gleanings......the poor and stranger........those who had not previously heard the Word of God. True. All that war and famines and pestilence will be brought on the world by the dragon who seeks to kill and destroy. The are the beginning of sorrows. Gods wrath will not occur until the 7th seal is opened. The wrath of God will last one year.

You are correct. The Great Tribulation is the tribulation of those days. It cannot begin until the AOD is set up which is future

The connection is Jesus will come, and His reward is with Him. Revelation 3 11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. The connection is that the 24 elders are before the throne WITH CROWNS. Revelation 4 4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold. The connection is the dead in Christ rise first. 1 Thes 4 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: The connection is He is coming in an hour that you think not. 1 Thes 4 44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. You are expecting a paved highway with road signs so you can have absolute 100% chiseled in stone proof of when He comes. He tells you He is coming when you think not. You don't believe Him? All you get are bread crumbs. You either see them or you don't. The Church is mentioned 19 times in the 1st 3 chapters of Revelation, but not mentioned again until Revelation 22 at the end. Is that absolute proof that the Church has been raptured? Of course not. But when you put everything together them not being mentioned in Chapters 4-21 should make you stand up an take notice. Further, and most importantly, the 70th week of Daniel is about the people of Daniel who we can prove are of the 12 tribes......as the first 69 weeks took place before the Church was born. Even further those who are the seed of the woman are seen in Revelation 15 singing the song of Moses. They are of the 12 tribes, obviously And further still, blindness cannot be removed from part of Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in. It would be wise to realize the master is coming when you think not. Watch and be ready as instructed. The seals go in order 1 thru 7. That is why order is given to them. You fail to understand that Jesus comes for a harvest at the 6th seal and then the wrath of God begins when the 7th seal is opened. You want to pretend that those 7 trumpets of wrath are occurring during the tribulation period. You don't know the difference between tribulation and the wrath of God.

There is an earthquake at the 6th seal. Then there are earthquakes at the 7th trumpet and 7th bowl........both of which happen in the 7th seal...........one year Day of the Lord........wrath of God. I know. You can see that with all the trumpets compared to the bowls. The bowls are more intense. And both happen in the 7th seal, Day of the Lord. No. Scripture shows the first six seals occur and are followed by the 7th seal Day of the Lord. In the seventh seal, Day of the Lord we get two views of events that happen in the 7th seal which are the trumpets and bowls. The bowls are more intense and yet both the trumpets and bowls happen during the 7th seal. I'm not sure why you don't see that when kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord at the 7th trumpet, Jesus has returned and set up the millennial kingdom. It is the time of judgment where the dead that remain in the earth are raised. Armageddon is over....wrath is over..........and Christ sets up His kingdom on the earth. When you are reading Rev 13 and 14 you are back in the 1st 6 seals. Christ has already set up His kingdom on the earth. When you are reading Revelation 15 you are in Revelation 7. When you are reading Revelation 16 you are in the 7th seal.

I guess you are unaware that you are proving my point. You are showing that one day is sometimes one year........as in the Day of the Lord is one year long. As for the acceptable year of the Lord..........that has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the Day of the Lord as the day of the Lord is a year of wrath and vengeance. Additionally, the Day of the Lord begins at the sixth as we can see in Isaiah 34 and Revelation 6 4 And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree. 8 For it is the day of the Lord's vengeance, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion. Revelation 6 12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. So again, your contention that the acceptable year of the Lord happened when Christ came has absolutely nothing whatsoever to with the Day of the Lord........when the Lord returns for one year of vengeance when the 7th seal is opened. Now you have change from the acceptable year of the Lord to the acceptable day TO Lord. Neither has anything to do with the Day of the Lord. So you understand that His first coming as a lamb has nothing whatsoever to with when He comes as a lion. They are different times. Ok. The day of the Lord is one year long.

This is not correct which we can prove by Revelation 14 Right. Jesus has set up His kingdom on the earth, and the wrath of God is over. The bowls are over when the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord. No sir. The trumpets and bowls occur in the same timeframe which is the 7th seal. I also notice that there are lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail in both Revelation 11 after the 7th trumpet and also in Revelation 16 after the 7th vial. Revelation 11 19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail. Revelation 15 5 And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened: Revelation 16 17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done. 18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great. 19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath. 20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found. 21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great. Yes and it occurs in the 7th seal, just like the last trumpet.

Yes. Correct. Totally incorrect. When the 7th trumpet sounds "the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord. THE MILLENNIAL KINGDOM IS SET UP............Armageddon is already over. Rev 7 15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. Here's what you will never hear. When the 7th seal is opened that will be a 1 year, 360 day period of wrath......The Day of the Lord. Christ will set up His kingdom at the 7th trumpet. Then there will be a 1 year 360 Day of Atonement.

The day of the Lord is one year. Isaiah 61 2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn; The day of the Lord is vengeance and destruction. It is dreadful. Does that sound like any part of the millennial kingdom? Isaiah 2:12 For the day of the Lord of hosts shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low: Isaiah 13:6 Howl ye; for the day of the Lord is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty. Isaiah 13:9 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it. Jeremiah 46:10 For this is the day of the Lord God of hosts, a day of vengeance, that he may avenge him of his adversaries: and the sword shall devour, and it shall be satiate and made drunk with their blood: for the Lord God of hosts hath a sacrifice in the north country by the river Euphrates. Ezekiel 13:5 Ye have not gone up into the gaps, neither made up the hedge for the house of Israel to stand in the battle in the day of the Lord. Ezekiel 30:3 For the day is near, even the day of the Lord is near, a cloudy day; it shall be the time of the heathen. Joel 1:15 Alas for the day! for the day of the Lord is at hand, and as a destruction from the Almighty shall it come. Joel 2:1 Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the Lord cometh, for it is nigh at hand; Joel 2:11 And the Lord shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the Lord is great and very terrible; and who can abide it? Joel 2:31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible day of the Lord come. Joel 3:14 Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the Lord is near in the valley of decision. Amos 5:18 Woe unto you that desire the day of the Lord! to what end is it for you? the day of the Lord is darkness, and not light. Amos 5:20 Shall not the day of the Lord be darkness, and not light? even very dark, and no brightness in it? Obadiah 1:15 For the day of the Lord is near upon all the heathen: as thou hast done, it shall be done unto thee: thy reward shall return upon thine own head. Zephaniah 1:7 Hold thy peace at the presence of the Lord God: for the day of the Lord is at hand: for the Lord hath prepared a sacrifice, he hath bid his guests. Zephaniah 1:14 The great day of the Lord is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the Lord: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly. Zechariah 14:1 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. Malachi 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord:

AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. Twenty four elders with crowns in heaven and kings and priests around the throne. Cherry on top.......Church not mentioned after that. And there is more, you just don't want to see. To make what you think happens you have to change the order of the seals. Wow.

I'm not sure how many times we need to do this. You want absolute proof nailed down with a doubt so you can be 100% sure exactly when He is coming. Here is the proof that the Lord gives. Matthew 24 44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. Here is the group in heaven that you can't seem to find. If you want to change US to THEM in the text........no problem. Revelation 5 9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; 10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth. Additionally, the twenty four elders have crowns showing that Jesus has come. If you cannot accept these facts.............and others............that's just the way it's going to be. Yeah. You are referring to the Jews that are singing the song of Moses. Revelation 15 2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God. 3 And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints. I'm not sure how many times we need to do this. You want absolute proof nailed down with a doubt so you can be 100% sure exactly when He is coming. Here is the proof that the Lord gives. Matthew 24 44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. Here is the group in heaven that you can't seem to find. If you want to change US to THEM in the text........no problem. Revelation 5 9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; 10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth. Additionally, the twenty four elders have crowns showing that Jesus has come. If you cannot accept these facts.............and others............that's just the way it's going to be. I'm not sure how many times we need to do this. You want absolute proof nailed down with a doubt so you can be 100% sure exactly when He is coming. Here is the proof that the Lord gives. Matthew 24 44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. Here is the group in heaven that you can't seem to find. If you want to change US to THEM in the text........no problem. Revelation 5 9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; 10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth. Additionally, the twenty four elders have crowns showing that Jesus has come. If you cannot accept these facts.............and others............that's just the way it's going to be. I'm good with that. However, those elders have crowns showing that Jesus has come. I do suspect that they are of the dead in Christ which rise first while the alive remain, but I have no absolute, concrete, 100%, chiseled in stone proof that you require, even though we are told He is coming when you think not, which kind of eliminates the absolute, concrete, 100%, chiseled in stone proof that you require.

Yes. That's the gist of the problem. It looks to you............. Oh boy. The sixth seal is the coming of Jesus for a harvest. Then the 7th seal is opened which contains the trumpets and vials of wrath. So again, it looks to you...........facts tell a different story.

I'm not sure how many times we need to do this. You want absolute proof nailed down with a doubt so you can be 100% sure exactly when He is coming. Here is the proof that the Lord gives. Matthew 24 44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. Here is the group in heaven that you can't seem to find. If you want to change US to THEM in the text........no problem. Revelation 5 9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; 10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth. Additionally, the twenty four elders have crowns showing that Jesus has come. If you cannot accept these facts.............and others............that's just the way it's going to be.

And yet, the millennial kingdom is 1000 years and it cannot begin until the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord. That is when the millennial kingdom is set up..........after wrath. Revelation 11 15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. Exactly. The millennial kingdom is set up at the 7th trumpet which occurs at the end of the one-year wrath of God. Revelation 11 15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. The trumpets, thunders, and bowls all occur during the one year wrath of God. The Euphrates is on its way to drying up now and it would not take much for this to happen. During the wrath of God the two witnesses will cause it not to rain during their prophecy so it won't take much for the Euphrates to dry up. Revelation 11 6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will. As I mentioned above, the millennial kingdom does not start until the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord. Therefore, it would not make sense for the millennial kingdom to be 1001 and one year and include Gods wrath.

The harvest FROM THE EARTH at the 6th seal are Jews. They sing the song of Moses. The are the harvest after the 144,000 first fruits. Revelation 15 2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God. 3 And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.

Jacob is Israel and the tribulation is the time of Jacobs trouble. Jacob is the father of the 12 tribes of Israel. There are two folds. The first fold comes in and then the Chosen fold.

I would have to think that 99.9999999999% of all Biblical scholars of Revelation would agree with that comment. However, this is not correct. We see that the 144,000 are sealed in Revelation 7 and we are told in Revelation 9 that no one is stung except those that are not sealed. This leads us to falsely conclude that the 144,000 remain on the earth during the wrath of God. For you to understand that the 144,000 do not remain on the earth during the wrath of God is going to take "top shelf" logic. This is long and I will do the best I can to explain it to you. First, we see that the 144,000 are sealed in Revelation 7. When you have the seal of God you are a believer. Then we see a great multitude in heaven, some who came out of great tribulation. This tells you there has been a harvest. In Revelation 14 we see that the 144,000 are first fruits of a harvest. Revelation 14 3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. 4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. So how does that work? I'm telling you the 144,000 are not on earth during the wrath of God...........and yet we see them in Revelation 14. It's simple. The wrath of God is already over. Let's prove that. When the 7th trumpet sounds the mystery of God is finished. It's done, it's over. Revelation 10 7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets. When the 7th trumpet sounds, the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord. Revelation 11 15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. This means Christ has set up His kingdom on the earth. Armageddon is already over. The wrath of God is OVER. It is the time of judgement. Revelation 11 18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth. What I'm telling you is that the wrath of God is over at the 7th trumpet. Armageddon is over, Christ has set up the millennial kingdom and it is the time of judgement. So when you are reading Revelation 13 and 14 you are getting a different view of what happens in the first 6 seals. The order of events are as follows in Revelation 7 and Revelation 14. * The 144,000 that we see sealed in Revelation 7 have to be sealed earlier somewhere in the first four seals which we can prove be Revelation 14. ** We see the 144,000 are first fruits in Revelation 14. *** Then we see the great tribulation in Revelation 14 Revelation 14 13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them. **** We also see the great tribulation at the 5th seal. Revelation 6 9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? 11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled. ***** Then we see the coming of Jesus for the gathering from heaven and earth. Revelation 14 14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle. 15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe. 16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped. ****** We see the same coming of Jesus at the 6th seal for the harvest, seen also in Matthew 24 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. I don't know if I explained this well enough to follow, but the 144,000 are not on the earth for the wrath of God. They are removed from the earth before the great tribulation which is the 5th seal. Then Jesus comes for the harvest immediately after the tribulation of those days which is the 6th seal

Yes, they really know the wrath of God is coming because if you look at the scriptures below you should see that the signs of the sun, moon and stars occur when Jesus comes in Matthew 24. From the two scriptures below, we can make some logical conclusions. 1. Jesus comes at the 6th seal. (the second coming. But He remains in the clouds and sends the angels to gather the elect from heaven and earth) It is a harvest. 2. When Jesus comes in Matthew 24 the tribulation is over. That tells us the tribulation is over at the 6th seal. 3. The wrath of God begins at the 6th seal. 4. The second coming at the 6th seal immediately after the tribulation is not when Jesus sets up His kingdom when He comes to earth. When He comes to earth after the wrath of God, the 7th seal. Matthew 24 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Revelation 6 12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. The harvest at the 6th seal is shown here. Revelation 14 14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle. 15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe. 16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped. 17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle. 18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe. 19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

This may be confusing at this point. The 144,000 are first fruits of the seed of the woman, Israel. They are the 12 tribes across the earth. When the dragon can't get to the woman, those that fled to a place of protection, he goes after the Jews around the world. Revelation 12 17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. Another thing to note is that there are two brides. Jacob had two brides, Leah and the Chosen Bride Rachel. I am having trouble getting it to quote different breaks in your post. I am going to have to separate them into single posts. Sorry about that. I don't know why. Only seems to happen when a color is changed, like you using red, but that's not always the case. Could be the browser?

I don't believe the 7th day is the Day of the Lord. We think the 7th day is the Day of the Lord because a day is as a thousand years and a thousand years is a day, and the 7th day is the 1000-year millennial kingdom. But the day is the Lord is a day of wrath and vengeance. It lasts one year. This scripture shows us that we are at the 6th seal. Isaiah 34 4 And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree. This scripture shows us the Day of the Lord, Gods wrath lasts one year. Isaiah 34 8 For it is the day of the Lord's vengeance, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion. There is no way that the millennial kingdom when the lion lies down with the lamb would be 1000 years of wrath. Look up any scripture about the "day of the Lord" and you will always find vengeance and destruction. Isaiah 13 9 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it. I think if you read the above scriptures I posted, you will see this is not correct. I used to think the same thing The Day of the Lord does not begin until the tribulation is over at the 6th seal. Not wrath, but tribulation. The day of the Lord is the 7th seal and contains both the trumpets and vials of wrath. The marriage supper of the Lamb will take place during the 70th week of Daniel. The Lord comes for a harvest at the 6th seal. Then the great multitude is in heaven for the marriage supper. Then the 7th seal, Day of the Lord, one year day of wrath begins. All believers will be in heaven for the marriage supper during the Day of the Lord, wrath of God. Those from the nation of Israel that flee to a place of protection, will remain on the earth........protected from the wrath of God.

Enjoyed the detail on your post. The chart was hard to read though. I don't think Day 7 is the start of the Day of the Lord. I think Day 7 is the start of the Millennial kingdom. The Day of the Lord begins at the 6th seal and is one year long.