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Of course it's in the Bible. No man can buy nor sell without the mark of the beast. That is world wide. There will be a world government after the pretribulation rapture.........new world order. For you to think there will not be a world government is quite puzzling. What rabbit hole did you climb in? The thing that hath been is that which shall be and that which is done is that which shall be done and there is no new thing under the sun. The first world government was Babylon. That asteroid has you so confused. It occurs during the one year Day of the Lord, wrath of God. Hmmm. Revelation 20 7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. Daniel 11 45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him. Maybe you should keep reading. He comes to his end BEFORE the great tribulation. Daniel 12 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. Yeah. I remember when it was the rage when there was 10 countries in the European Union. Now there are 27. When God says that no man can buy or sell without the mark of the beast, He is not talking about the Mediterranean area. He is talking about the whole world. Theres that asteroid again. That does not occur until the Day of the Lord, the one year wrath of God. The US will remain a world power but will be weakened by the pretribulation rapture............and the soon coming earthquakes. The beast of the sea is Nimrod, the king of Babylon who is the eighth king and is of the seven. The beast of the earth has TWO HORNS. What is a horn? Hmmm. Is the eighth king and is of the seven. Who was, and is not and yet is Who had the deadly wound of the sword and does live. If you understood this looked past scripture you would know the beast is Nimrod. Isaiah 14 4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased! 5 The Lord hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the sceptre of the rulers. 6 He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth. 7 The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing. 8 Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us.

Matthew 24 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Revelation 6 12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. Maybe you are missing the FACT that there is a great multitude in heaven some of whom have come out of great tribulation in Revelation 7, after the 6th seal is opened. Which means of course that Jesus has returned to heaven. The 7th seal is opened and the wrath of God begins. The wrath of God is the one-year Day of the Lord. Are you saying that Jesus is unable to open the 7th seal if He comes at the 6th seal and returns to heaven?

How is it that you are unable to comprehend that the coming of Jesus at the 6th seal for a harvest IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION of those days, has absolutely nothing WHATSOEVER to do with a pretribulation rapture? How can the coming of Jesus immediately AFTER the tribulation, have anything to do with a pretribulation rapture? The point that is being made is that the coming of Jesus in Matthew 24 immediately AFTER the tribulation is not the coming of Jesus with the armies of heaven in Revelation 19. Your ingrained prejudice keeps you from seeing the truth of the scripture.

I must have read past this proof. Would you copy and paste this proof so I can examine it? I don't see how you can have proof when the Word speaks for itself.

I was and have been perfectly clear that the coming of Jesus in Matthew 24 occurs at the 6th seal. For some strange reason you make conglomerative post on why untimely figs cannot be Jesus coming with the armies of heaven. I am not saying that Jesus comes with the armies of heaven at the 6th seal. He comes for a harvest. Long story short........The coming of Jesus in Matthew 24 is not the coming with the armies of heaven for Armageddon.

Interesting. According to Gods Word the 144,000 are male virgins and the first fruits of a coming harvest. They will be sealed so they will be believers. Since you are not a male you are obviously not one of them as you claim.

I still understand there is a pretribulation rapture. I just understand the tribulation is not 7 years long.

Rev 13, 14,15 and 16 are just more information of the events of Revelation 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11. Revelation is written like Genesis 7. In Genesis 7 we get three different views of the same flood. In Revelation we get two different views of the tribulation period and two different views of the wrath of God. When you are reading Revelation 6 which is the 1st 6 seals, you get more information of the same timeframe in Revelation 13 and 14. When you are reading Revelation 7, you get more information of that time frame in Revelation 15. When you are reading Revelation 8,9,10 and 11, you get more information of the same time frame in part of Revelation 15, and all of Revelation 16. So you get two views of the tribulation and two views of the wrath of God. In other words, both the trumpets and vials occur in the 7th seal.

The dead in Christ rise FIRST. Barley harvest. Why do the alive REMAIN? The alive that remain, remain until the summer wheat harvest. 1 Thes 4 13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. Simple. Dead rise first. The alive remain..........just like it says. When Jesus returns for the alive He brings the dead with Him. No where can you find a scripture that says that the 144,000 are wheat. But we can see there are TWO raptures and the Jews are grapes. Hosea 9 10 I found Israel like grapes in the wilderness; I saw your fathers as the firstripe in the fig tree at her first time: but they went to Baalpeor, and separated themselves unto that shame; and their abominations were according as they loved. There is no wheat in Revelation 14. Revelation 14 shows us 144,000 first fruits of the fruit harvest. The feast of Trumpet is a fall harvest feast. The spring barley harvest is for the dead in Christ. The wheat harvest is for the alive that remain. The fruit harvest is for the Jew............just like the Word says. I changed to two raptures when I saw the fig has two harvests. Also, we can tell who is harvested and when they are harvested. Hosea 9 10 I found Israel like grapes in the wilderness; I saw your fathers as the firstripe in the fig tree at her first time: but they went to Baalpeor, and separated themselves unto that shame; and their abominations were according as they loved. Exactly. No Revelation 14 shows the second harvest. The first harvest is the grain harvest, barley and wheat. That is the Church. The second harvest is that of the Jews that have had their eyes opened after the fullness of the Gentiles comes in. Romans 11 25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. You fail to understand that the 70th week of Daniel is about the people of Daniel. You want to make it about the Church. As you say.......the Church age is over at Revelation 4:1. That is BEFORE any seals are opened. But then you want to put the Church in the tribulation. Just one question. How can the Church be in the tribulation and yet there be a pretribulation rapture? Why is it that all the points you make disagree with scripture? You claim that those in Rev 7 are the Church that are raptured pretrib. And yet the Word of God says some of those that are raptured COME OUT OF GREAT TRIBULATION. Revelation 7 13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? 14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. The great multitude is made up of the Church that is harvested in the grain harvest and the Jews that are harvested in the fruit harvest. The fig tree has TWO harvests. The Jews are regrafted as their eyes are opened after the fullness of the Gentiles comes. No. There is no flashback. You are looking at the fruit harvest in Revelation 14. It occurs at the 6th seal. The wheat are not the Jews. There is no scripture that shows that the wheat are Jews. The Jews are found as grapes. They no longer will be the first harvest. The Church is the first harvest. The Jews are blind. After the Church is harvest there are 144,000 first fruits of the second harvest. Simple. There are first fruits for a reason. Brother. The tribulation of those days IS the great tribulation. Matthew 24 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. The tribulation of those days is the great tribulation that begins when the AOD is set up. The 2000 years has nothing to do with the tribulation of those days.The coming of Jesus in Matthew 24 occurs at the 6th seal. It does not occur in Revelation 19.

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It's not. No where have I said that the sun and moon are darkened and the stars fall from heaven when Jesus returns with the armies of heaven. Your confusion has no limits. Is there any possible way that you can comprehend, that the coming of Jesus in Matthew 24 is NOT the coming of Jesus with the armies of heaven in Revelation 19. The coming of Jesus in Mattew 24 is the coming of Jesus at the 6th seal. The tribulation of those days is over. TRIBULATION IS NOT THE WRATH OF GOD. There is a rapture at the 6th seal. Then the 7th seal is opened and the wrath of God begins. The 7th seal contains the trumpets and vials of Gods wrath. Matthew 24 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Revelation 6 12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 2 Thes 2 1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Can you see that Jesus comes and we are gathered to Him BEFORE the day of the Lord. The coming of Jesus in Matthew 24 occurs at the 6th seal, BEFORE the wrath God. It's simple. The following verses occur at the 6th seal. They are NOT Jesus coming with the armies of heaven. Matthew 24 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

First let me compliment you on your excellent presentation. Well done. I do not agree with the above, however. The 10 kings are not the EU. The 10 kings are a world wide kingdom that are likely under the banner of the United Nations as the rider on the white horse, is given the stephanos crown which is the leaf crown of victory and the symbol of the UN. Stephanos Crown There are two beasts. The beast of the sea is the little horn. The beast of the earth has two horns and one these horns is the rider on the white horse who is a FORMER king of the North. This former king of the north will be given the stephanos crown of the United Nations. He will give his power to the little horn and cause the earth to worship the little horn.........who was and is not and will come again. The little horn is Nimrod who had the deadly wound of the sword and will come again. The little horn is Nimrod who had the deadly wound of the sword and will come again. The 10 is not the European Union. The 10 is a world government under the UN. He comes out of one of the regions of Grecian empire that has be broken into 4. That region would contain Babylon. The beast that was and is not and will come again is the eight king.........and he is of the 7. He is the king of Babylon. He is the Assyrian. He is Nimrod reborn.

The dead in Christ rise first. They are the barley harvest. The alive that remain are the wheat harvest. The barley and wheat........the grain harvest...........are the Church. Revelation 4:1 is not the same event as Revelation 14:14. Revelation 4:1 is the grain harvest which is the pretribulation rapture of the Church. Revelation 14:14 is the fruit harvest. It is the rapture of the 12 tribes across the earth which is the seed of the woman Israel. Those 144,000 first fruits we see earlier in Revelation 14 are the first fruits of the fruit harvest. Grapes are fruit. This event is the rapture that takes place at the 6th seal. The righteous are taken to heaven for the marriage supper. That is why there is a great multitude in heaven in Revelation 7. The righteous are in heaven during the one year wrath of God and unrighteous are cast into the 7th seal wrath of God. Revelation 14 18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe. Those harvested in Revelation 14 are Jews. They are the ones coming out of Great Tribulation as the Church is in heaven before the great tribulation. They sing the song of Moses because they are Jews. Revelation 15 2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God. 3 And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints. The mid point of the week is when the AOD is set up. That is when the tribulation begins. The tribulation of those days is over at the 6th seal as we can PROVE by the signs of the sun, moon and stars. Matthew 24 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Revelation 6 12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. Can you not see that the tribulation is over at the 6th seal? The sun and moon are darkened and the stars fall from heaven. There is a rapture. It is the Jews that are raptured at the 6th seal as they sing the song of Moses. At the last trump........Jesus comes for a harvest........the Jews. There is one year for the wrath of God which is the 7th seal. Then there is one year left for the day of Attonement. There is no flashback. Revelation 14:14 occurs at the 6th seal before the wrath of God. The Church is already in heaven before the tribulation. The 12 tribes are in heaven before the wrath of God. No believer is appointed to wrath. The woman, Israel, those that flee to the place of protection remain on the earth during the wrath of God along with unbelievers The dead in Christ rise first. This is the barley harvest. The alive remain until the end of summer. This is the wheat harvest. The Jew are raptured in the fruit harvest which takes place at the 6th seal.....Revelation 14:14. When you are reading Revelation 13 and 14 you are reading more information that occurs during the 1st 6 seals. When you are reading Revelation 16, you are reading more events that take place during the 7th seal. The trumpets and vials are the wrath of God and take place in the 7th seal.

You are taking things COMPLETELY out of context when you jump over to Galatians 4. Let's put things in context..............WITH SCRIPTURE. Revelation 12 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: You are attempting to claim that this woman is Jerusalem above. This is in error. The woman is Israel. The 12 stars are the sons of Jacob. This is Josephs dream..... Genesis 37 9 And he dreamed yet another dream, and told it his brethren, and said, Behold, I have dreamed a dream more; and, behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven stars made obeisance to me. 10 And he told it to his father, and to his brethren: and his father rebuked him, and said unto him, What is this dream that thou hast dreamed? Shall I and thy mother and thy brethren indeed come to bow down ourselves to thee to the earth? So the woman is in fact Israel. The 12 stars are the 12 tribes of Israel. Here is further proof that you are taking things out of context. Revelation 12 6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. The woman is seen fleeing into the wilderness where she has a place prepared of God for 1260 days. Does Jerusalem above flee into the wilderness? No. It is talking about those in Israel that flee when the abomination of desolation is set up. Futher we see that the dragon goes after the woman but cannot get to her because she is protected by God. The dragon goes after the remnant of her seed, which is the 12 tribes across the earth, that keep the commandments of God and now have the testimony of Jesus Christ as they are regrated into the Olive tree. Revelation 12 17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. Conclusion: Your contention that the woman in Revelation 12 is Jerusalem is incorrect as proven by scripture. You are taking things out of context.

I don't believe either of these are true. What is your scriptural support?

Those were the days............... Check. Pentecost. The barley harvest. The dead in Christ rise first. The alive remain. Either the Feast of New Wine or Tu B'AV is likely the time the alive that remain are raptured. This is the time of the wheat harvest. Feast of New Oil the 144,000 are sealed. Feast of Trumpets. Fall fruit harvest. The 12 tribes across the earth are raptured immediately after the tribulation of those days at the 6th seal at the last trump. That is not the wrath of God you are referring to, that is the tribulation. The woman Israel, those that do as instructed, flee to a place prepared for her. When the dragon can't get to the woman, he goes after her seed who are the 12 tribes across the earth. The Church is already in heaven before the tribulation. The 7th seal is the one year wrath of God. That is followed by the one year day of atonement. Check. Feast #5 is the Feast of Trumpets. It happens at the 6th seal when all eyes see the coming of the Lord. The elect are gathered from heaven and earth. All go to heaven for the marriage supper which takes place in heaven during the one year wrath of God. The wheat is the summer harvest which is the alive that remain of the Church. The barley is the spring harvest which is the dead in Christ which will rise first. The Jews, which are the seed of the woman are the 12 tribes across the earth. They will be raptured at the 6th seal......hence the great multitude in heaven in Rev 7 which are both the Church and the Jews that have their eyes opened after the fullness of the Gentiles comes in.

You will never, ever understand Revelation if you cannot accept what God says. He gives us exact specifics and you run off searching for answers that have already been given. The 144,000 are EXACTLY what God says they are.

Except that it is the last verse in Revelation 6 and is referring to wrath coming when the 7th seal is opened. Nothing in the sixth seal refers to wrath occurring. Wrath is getting ready to occur when the 7th seal is opened. Revelation 6 17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

The Feast of Trumpets is a fall feast. The fall feasts are for the Jews. The last trump blown on the Feast of Trumpets is when the 12 tribes will be raptured, at the 6th seal. There is a reason there are 144,000 first fruits from the 12 tribes. As for the summer harvest, that is the wheat harvest which is celebrated on the Feast of New Wine. The rapture of the Church is likely to occur on the Feast of New Wine or on Tu B'Av. Summer..... Wheat.

Revelation 6 1 And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see. 2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer. This is a vision that has not occurred. Has the 1st seal been opened? Has the rider on the white horse ridden? Has Horus, whose eye is on the back of the dollar bill returned. Has Apollo shown up? The antichrist is Horus, who is Apollo, who carries a bow, who is Tammuz..........the Antichrist. Has he been revealed and ridden forth? Has the 5th seal been opened? Has the great tribulation occurred? Has the 6th seal been opened. Has Jesus returned for a harvest? Have all eyes seen the coming of the Lord? Has He sent His angels to gather the elect from heaven and earth. Revelation 8 8 And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour. Are we in the wrath of God which is the 7th seal? Just apply some common sense and look around. Jacob has two brides.

Could you expound on your point?

When the covenant with many is made, that will be the beginning of the final 7 years. However, it might not be until the prince that shall come confirms this covenant that those still here realize what is going on. Many aren't watching because they do not realize that the Lord is coming in an hour that they think not. We need to apply all relevant scripture to our watching. I agree. And yet before the AOD there are wars and rumors of wars, nation rising against nation, famines, pestilences and earthquakes. Before the AOD occurs, the Church will already be raptured which will give rise to all the above events. The great tribulation is about the Jews. We are looking for a covenant with many to be made. That may have already happened. I don't know if we know for sure unless the prince that shall come confirms it. Revelation 3 3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

We know what is written because John had a vision of the seals being opened. None of the seals are opened at this time. John wrote down His vision. That's how we have the book of Revelation. The book was not unsealed in 96AD. John had a vision of the unsealing of the book. None of the seals are currently open. So, in a nut shell, NONE OF THE SEALS ARE OPENED AS OF YET. If you are born again, you have been sealed. The 144,000 from the 12 tribes are sealed when they are born again.

Here is the first four seals. They are the beginning of sorrows. Matthew 24 5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. 6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. 8 All these are the beginning of sorrows. The 5th seal is the great tribulation. Matthew 24 21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. The 6th seal occurs immediately after the tribulation and is the gathering from heaven and earth when Jesus sends His angels to gather the elect. Matthew 24 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. The seventh seal is the Day of the Lord.....the one year wrath of God. It is the day of vengeance on an evil unbelieving world. There is not a chance in China that the 144,000 is a symbolic number. It is an exact number of male virgins who are first fruits of the second harvest. No. The multitude seen in Rev 7:9 contains believers that are in heaven for the marriage supper. They are in heaven during the one year wrath of God which is the 7th seal. They return with the armies of heaven at Armageddon. The seventh seal is the Day of the Lord.....the one year wrath of God. It is the day of vengeance on an evil unbelieving world. The seventh seal contains the trumpets and vials of Gods wrath.

What are you talking about. I addressed every single point that you made......I think. The woman is Israel. The remnant of her seed is the 12 tribes across the earth. They keep the commandments of God............and I have already shown you that we should not be ignorant of the fact that blindness will be removed from part of Israel when the fullness of the gentiles comes in. I don't know why you fail to accept that the remnant of the womans seed is the 12 tribes across the earth. Do you think those 144,000 first fruits mean nothing? I do not have the ability to follow the relevance of the point you are making. I don't make the olive tree Israel. They are the natural branchs......that will be regrafted. Ok. What I don't understand is why you don't realize that the seed of the woman are the 12 tribes across the earth that will be regrafted when the fullness of the Gentiles comes in. The Church will already be in heaven before the great tribulation. The great tribulation is about the people of Daniel.