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It is not deceptive if you read without an intent to misunderstand. Usually, and for most of us, the immune system’s prior exposure to an infection is sufficient to protect us from subsequent exposures. However, there are a large number of people with weakened immune systems, for one reason or another, that are not immune from subsequent disease from a pathogen that was previously encountered. For some pathogens, like SARS-CoV-2, even people with fairly normal immune systems can become reinfected with a different strain of the pathogen.

That’s ALL you have for your wild speculation. One whistleblower on one continent that is completely unverifiable. Yet, you have latched onto it like a very hungry dog on a bone. Not only do you assume that everything the whistleblower says is true, you are 100% convinced that it is perfectly reasonable to extrapolate all over the rest of the world. If this speculation came from anyone else, I would call it incredibly poor reasoning, but all things considered, I have to drop the adverb.

I’ll tell you what - pull out the relevant section of the 557 page report you want me to read that leads you to believe that the vaccines were ineffective. Let’s discuss that a bit. Otherwise, you are just using the report as a smokescreen.

Po-tay-to/po-tah-to - Whatever you want to call it, you can most certainly be reinfected with a pathogen your immune system has already warded off. I’m not the one making up 20 million deaths based on speculative testimony of a single “whistleblower” while simultaneously ignoring data from hospitals all over the world. Nah, your accusations are garbage.

You believe this because you disregard facts and data and choose instead to believe the evidence-free conspiracies of supposed whistle blowers.

That’s what immune systems do MOST of the time. Breakthroughs can and do happen, just like with vaccines, particularly in immune compromised individuals. The advantage of vaccines is that your immune system can be made ready to fight a pathogen faster and more effectively without the risk involved in an initial infection.

The fact that you call this “bonus money” reveals that you really didn’t understand the situation at the time and your understanding has not improved since. COVID patients were incredibly taxing on facilities (equipment and space) as well as the physical and emotional well-being of hospital employees. No one involved with patient care would consider this “bonus money”. The second thing that stands out about this statement is that it is another major example of misinformation being accepted as fact and repeated. Hospitals did NOT receive additional money for COVID deaths, but based on the COVID treatments they provided. https://www.aha.org/news/blog/2020-11-02-aha-continues-debunk-false-claims-about-covid-19-deaths-and-payments https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-covid-pandemic-hospitals-medicare-157398144949 In other words, there was ZERO financial motive for hospitals to inflate death claims. I can’t decide if it is more astonishing or sad that these lies are still reported on a purportedly Christian website four years after they were corrected. I’m done for now, may come back for more disappointing reading and commentary later.

How do “we” know this? If you have verifiable knowledge of a worldwide cabal, I’d be interested in seeing it. There is a lot of speculation on this topic. The truth is, we don’t know exactly where it came from, but most experts (people with far more expertise than mine in epidemiology) believe it most likely spilled over from the wet market in Wuhan into the human population. “On January 19, 2020, a 35-year-old man presented to an urgent care clinic in Snohomish County, Washington, with a 4-day history of cough and subjective fever. On checking into the clinic, the patient put on a mask in the waiting room. After waiting approximately 20 minutes, he was taken into an examination room and underwent evaluation by a provider. He disclosed that he had returned to Washington State on January 15 after traveling to visit family in Wuhan, China.” https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7092802/ I don’t know for certain, but I do not believe the 35 year old man was in a nursing home. I’ll read and respond to more later.

There is no reasonable comparison between the number of lives lost to the virus versus those lost to the vaccines. Incidentally, the traditional COVID vaccines have not been nearly as safe as the mRNA vaccines.

Here are a few points to consider. 1. Before the heavy load of natural infection muddied the waters worldwide, the mRNA vaccines were protecting recipients at a very high rate when compared to the unvaccinated. For roughly 2 years, of those hospitalized for COVID, unvaccinated individuals were about 10X more likely to die. 2. If the level of protection from infection is the metric that you have chosen for what you will consider a vaccine or not, then you need to figure out a different term for the Influenza vaccines. Their level of protection from infection is far worse than the COVID vaccines. 3. Are you certain you know more than the world’s virologists, immunologists, and epidemiologists and are therefore qualified to tell them what should or should not be considered a vaccine? I explained this to you and you dismissed it as gaslighting (this was several days before you decided you didn’t appreciate bully behavior).

I’ll be nicer if I can pull an admission out of you that mRNA vaccines are vaccines. In all seriousness, if you - for whatever reason - refuse to admit the patently obvious, then it makes meaningful discussion extremely difficult.

This isn’t true. Breakthrough infections are a factor with all vaccines. That’s why “immunity” really isn’t a great word in dealing with vaccines. Obviously, the “immune system” doesn’t make us immune to infection, either.

Can you acknowledge that the mRNA vaccines are vaccines, or not? If you refuse to deal in reality, then there really isn’t any point for us to continue to discuss anything related to the topic.

No, the post was long enough without the detailed explanation. Hang on for a second. Are we agreeing the mRNA vaccines are vaccines yet? I’d like to have that established before we move on.

Unquestionably. It is pretty scary, even at the more conservative estimates. Despite the money we pay for it, citizens in the US have very far from the best health care in the world. We are at the cutting edge of medical research, and that’s great benefit to many highly specific cases. But it doesn’t all work out great for the regular Joes like you and me.