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May I suggest you break up your writing into paragraphs so that it would be easier for readers to follow. I had to refocus many times when reading long replies without breaks when reading through your post. Thank you friendnt for understanding.

There are aspects of worship that the different denominations adhere to. I have been to a few of those, mainly the pentecostal and the fundamental baptist. The baptist belive that worship is of an orderly manner as God does, and the pentecostal, well, when one start to speak in tonges and it can be at any time in the service, it can turn into the whole church service speaking and crying ect. More to say on this later as it is something I have always been curious about as God is the God of all his people. Some say, you can quench the spirit ect, but I have questions to these statements and more.

I think there is a conflation of meaning that is mixed with prophecy and prophet. While they are similar. Prophet and prophecy are of the divine, while the other two are of our own human reasoning or volition. The Christian has to get his theology in right standing or he can be led by the demonic, and decetiful persons, who takes advantage of their ignorance. We know of many who have lost their entire life fortunes, by chalatans who used the biblical teachings in clever ways. Test the spirits, we are warned and that comes with perseverance for truth and not by men who claim to be people who are questionable. When the Lord gives his messages to reveal unto man, no matter what the situation, it has to be one hundred percent from him and he is perfect, so there will be no imperfect outcome. Our own will, though it may well meaning, cannot be associated with prophecy and that of a prophet. Edit. Discernment is a gift that the Lord has bestowed upon believers to navigate through our journey while we are here, but still it is not prophecy that are divine pronouncement from God. These are my own present conclusion in brief about prophecy and there I think, the beliefs and interpretation of the scriptual context, still has to be thought out or reasoned, as this is such an important part of a believers walk. 1. intuition 2. discernment 3. prophet and prophecy

You know, with the varied many different denominations or should I say different groups of believers, there are those who are convinced that prophecy is closed, in that the cannon is closed. For instance the Baptist Church does not practice this in their chruch and they are whole lot of people. I mean they are belivers too and how come they are not given those gifts too. Surely, if one receives those gifts, they cannot deny it and would speak out on it. This is such an important topic, as we know of many in the past who proclaim certain events ect and it did not come to past. Now, I am not denying that the body are given gifts as scripture clearly outlines them. How they are interpreted and practiced is another thing to comprehend. For instance , tongues and prophecy, healing and others are practiced and performed in the pentecostal Church plainly. Ever been to one of those, they are dynamic in worship and the way they do church service and outreach. I personally today is saying as a witness that the spiritual world of supernatural entities exist and all kind of things goes on that I sometime think I am alone in those experiences. I have been through so much, that I sometime wonder how I exist. Grace of God, has to be.

Prophets and prophecy for today and in the past has to be defined or explained in context of the scripture verses quoted from, I think. For lack of able to write or put in my own words as of now, I would use the following for a simple explanation of the prophet in the OT. Marathoner , I think explained this in his reply earlier. I also think that when believers hear of the those two words, they mostly think of the OT means of conveying God messages, and applying it to today NT meaning or method or conveying a discern or insightful message. Is it from God, or how are they receiving those messages. OT prophets, clearly got their message directly or from other servants of God. So, I guess what I am trying to understand, is how are modern day prophets receiving their message from God. I have to get a grasp of this or I will be troubled for a while. The full article of the link below can be read, I just quoted a paragraph. From gotquestion.org https://www.gotquestions.org/prophecy-prophesy.html According to Deuteronomy 13, there are two signs of a true prophet. First, he must not direct people to follow other gods. Second, whenever the prophet says something about future events, those events must come to pass. If the prophet promotes the worship of false gods, or if his predictions fail to come to pass, then he is a false prophet.

Ok. What about the second part of the verse of-- I Corinthians 13:9‭-‬10 NKJV But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away

What do you understand by the verse above and how does it apply to believers today in reference to prophets and prophecy ?.

So, then all that said would be to the receiver of the message and how he discern it. Prophecy I would think would be clear and concise in that it is a message that is to be relayed. It all then, is on the receiver to make known the truth of his reception and if it is obscured in any way, that too must be told. I think those who has been the recipient of those gifts , has to be forthright in their proclamation of the reception. It should not include their own intuition or discernment as it will therefore be of their human will. Prophecy I also think has to be of divine messaging and has to be clear and concise. Many things I have been through in the spiritual warfare has led me to think of things I can on my own forecast , which feels sure, but yet cannot say it will come to fruition. I guess, to the OP question, it is left for those who prophecy's to hold true to their , proclamation as they are the ones who would be accountable for the truth. Who then can know their heart, but the Lord.

What do you mean ?. Should it not always be 100%. ?. The word prophet is used to liberally . So, the question is , can demons counterfeit the work of spiritual gifts ?. When Moses staff was turned into a serpent, Pharaohs magicians did the exact same thing . There are numerous types of occult and other mysterious organization that is involved with the spiritual realm and can use these to manipulate. That is the reason we are warned to put on the full armor of God. Acts 16:16-34 Amplified Bible, Classic Edition 16 As we were on our way to the place of prayer, we were met by a slave girl who was possessed by a spirit of divination [claiming to foretell future events and to discover hidden knowledge], and she brought her owners much gain by her fortunetelling.

Taken from the 1966 Jerusalem Bible. The book of Ecclesiasticus. I know it is a Catholic bible, but it was the first bible I read from cover to cover when I was going through some severe oppression. the chapter below, use to comfort me and I meditated on it. The fear of God in time of ordeal" My son, if you aspire to serve the Lord, prepare yourself for an ordeal. Be sincere of heart, be steadfast, and do not be alarmed when disaster comes. Cling to him and do not leave him, so that you may be honoured at the end of your days. Whatever happens to you, accept it, and in the uncertainties of your humble state, be patient, since gold is tested in the fire, and chosen men in the furnace of humiliation. Trust him and he will uphold you, follow a straight path and hope in him. You who fear the Lord, wait for his mercy; do not turn aside in case you fall. You who fear the Lord,'trust him, and you will not be baulked of your reward. You who fear the Lord hope for good things, for everlasting happiness and mercy. Look at the generations of old and see: who ever trusted in the Lord and was put to shame? Or who ever feared him steadfastly and was left forsaken? Or who ever called out to him, and was ignored? For the Lord is compassionate and merciful, he forgives sins, and saves in days of distress. Woe to faint hearts and listless hands,b and to the sinner who treads two paths. Woe to the listless heart that has no faith,e for such will have no protection. Woe to you who have lost the will to endure; what will you do at the Lord's visitation? Those who fear the Lord do not disdain his words, and those who love him keep his ways. Those who fear the Lord do their best to please him, and those who love him find satisfaction in his Law.d Those who fear the Lord keep their hearts prepared and humble themselves in his presence. Let us fall into the hands of the Lord, not into the hands of men 23 for as his majesty is, so too is his mercy.

Can we take the man Job as an example of life trials. Job did what was right before the Lord, yet he suffered immense loss and sorrows of family and estate. Trials would come about without notice and can be as severe as could imagine, yet cause and effect is for the believer to walk through in his own experience, that is just that, his own. It will be left to him to do post examination of how and why and sometimes , in the beginning the question will pop up "Why me, what have I done ". Trials are your training ground and for affirmation of the spiritual realm spoken of in scripture e.g Ephesians 6:10. It solidifies your faith even more, because the living reality of your trials becomes a testimony when others are going through their afflictions and also for you to stand firm when all around is falling apart. edit. Doubt is one of the believer greatest enemy. The devil uses the world and the enticement of it to sow seeds of our existence and creation. Science has come a long way, in that we are now moving into the virtual reality world, where the believer if not been through the fire can immense succumb. So the sorrows and the rest, though wrenching and burdensome are ways to strengthen you when the battles are declared upon your soul,body and spirit for your soul.

The words below are powerful and outline the believer part that he will also have to suffer for Christ sake. That is huge to injest and digest, but it is written. Philippians 1:29 ESV / 15 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful For it has been granted to you that for the sake of Christ you should not only believe in him but also suffer for his sake,

I agree. When one of the selected appointee for USA the supreme court could not give a definition for the word '' woman", then you know what position the USA is on the step. That was a very sad day and painful to watch and listen to.

One can look at these events in two fronts, one from a humanistic view and the other biblical. The one with the humanist can vary, in that the capalist are the one percent who are profiting huge profits and causing poverty and inequality and therefoe something has to be don. Also, he can have views of the WEF, whose stated agenda is to bring stability to the world through changes in the way we work and uses the world resources. Therefore all conuntries must come into compliance with their stated goals as laid out in their published work on the Fourth industrial revolution, with outlines for AI and the technical revolution . The next on biblical and prophetic view points are simply that these times and events are upon us as written in the word and how they are interpreted and received is to how the believer will make his call. Protest are effective in bringing down nations and the planners of these events know that they have to push the envelope to get the attention . The days of social media wins over mind. The unbeliving world wants the justice in every sphere where they perceive inequality and they are using the tools of the powerful media who now takes sides to sway public opinion. We all have to make choices , as I am sure there is conflicts in a family with different views on local and world events. The children of tommorow will grow up in a very different world from the ones we left. How would it be, is . One more, this AI thing is here and it seems like it is something that no one will be able to control as it increases in speed and functionality. It can only be one thing, satan in this form that then controls the world. Does it not all adds up, covid, the wars, and uncertainty, that will cry for rulership.

Well, when you want a regime change you put boots on the ground to establish control of the captial and either send the leaders in exile or let them flee. The middle eastern countries which have and ideolgy that the Israel cannot exist as a Jewish state must be eliminated. The 1948 war, demonstrated that clearly. They know, Israel has an fromidable defencse and offensive army and would not put boots on the ground . They can weaken and frustrate them by showing their ability to send their weapons of war from far. The leader of Israel has to do what must be done to eliminate their capabilities and thus the war they are in now. Pray for Israel, the their enemies would be routed and their plans fail. As someone said the phrase "our prayers can go places where we cannot ".