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@tatwo For clarity this is my post as I responded to your first post. One thing I did not do is. I did not decapitate your post but I quote the whole post to be fair to the others readers right to have before them the totality of the post. I was fair to you when I said that I have nothing to say about the good words in your post like the posted scriptures and I say that because I was about to comment about the comments in your post about others. The critical words about others. The uncomplementary words about others and about the forums including this one. And that's where I got involved. Because I believe is not fair to speak about others in this way in their absence and without valid reasons and only armed with what you think and your understanding about them and their work. And you spoke as a judge would speak at the conclusion of a case.

@warrior12 Greetings to you. I apologize. When I first arrived to the Forum I was always looking forwards to reading your posts and liked a lot your Avatar. Thank you for bringing this up. God bless.

When Paul wrote about the Colossians scriptures he must have understood something very unique that The Heavenly Father from the beginning of the world had decided to rule the world through Jesus Christ in the same way he had decided to judge the world through Jesus Christ and many other things as to make Jesus Christ above all which includes that the Heavenly also were under his authority and not only that but he was given all authority in all the things under the earth.

I do not have to say anything about you and the good words you have posted. But many things in the post are quite critical about others and without sound preparation, quick to speak about others like you know them very well when you have never spoken to them and you did not get to know them in the way you should have to as to allow yourself to form a non prejudicial understanding about the people you have unfavorably comment about. To comment about the people mention in your post someone should understand how the Holy Spirit works. The Holy Spirit works in such way that Peter had to say be patient because "one day with the Lord is as if it is one thousand years". This statement is not a true statement word for word but it gives a clear message as it happened in the old times of those who prophesied of the things to come about the New Covenant and they long for them to happen in their time but they happened after hundreds of years. For the Lord to relax them and deal with their anxiety and not to speak like is going to happen in their generation. The Lord in the Old told them the infamous say "one day with the Lord is like one thousand years " and he did not tell them that so they can take it literally and begin to count the years and take it up with the Lord and His word when the thousand years passed by. The Lord did not tell them that as to start counting the days or years or something else and then bam bam it's going to happen. Because when it is happening and it is very obvious that it is happening perhaps but some cannot see it because what is happening in not happening in their own way of understanding. The Spirit of the Lord is moving in many places and we are not able to see it. The Holy Spirit is not on holidays and neither is Jesus Christ. They are not in the Old to have a day off once a week. We are in the New Covenant and the Lord with his death on the Cross He has given us some rest as to occupied our selves with the better things as to reaching out to others than counting the days of some event and counting the days and that's what they were doing to Peter and Paul and I guess to all the other disciples because they wanted the Romans to be defeated and other things as they wanted to rule over them and the rest of the world and counting me and all my family and not only me as their servants to be able to be accepted by JesusChrist!! And thus they made them selves fools. Even though Jesus told them that you will rule with me as you make your way through out the nations to conquer the Nations to defeat their Gods in them, in the people and have Jesus Christ rained in their hearts and minds. To conquer the Spiritual powers who had bind the people, to loose them from their bonds to Idols by giving them the Glorious Lord Jesus Christ. To win the battle of Armageddon the battle against the spiritual powers that were and are working in the people they met through out the Nations. We are never alone as the Holy Spirit is always at work and even before we speak is drawing the people to Jesus Christ. Paul was about to leave Corinth and Jesus told him, do not leave the city because I have drawn people to me and are ready for the Gospel and I will sent them to you and I will also sent you to where they are. Stay in this town. In some other town Jesus had told him to move on to other cities. Before Paul or anyone went to those cities, Jesus told Paul go to those cities, I have people waiting for you there ready and prepared to hear the good news of the Gospel. Jesus was working ahead of the places Paul had to go to and was drawing to him some people and prepared them for Paul's message of the Gospel as it happened. The same thing happened with Peter and the family of the Roman Captain Cornelius.

@Neighbor Thank you for your statement in the last paragraph in your quote above which I copy and paste below in parentheses. ("In fact the unforgivable sin may have been attributed only to the Scribes that claimed the Holy Spirit to be Satan, or Satan led spirit, empowering Jesus."). This is a bulls eye shot. The context is in the present age as Jesus told them in this age. The age they were in where they have made these comments about Jesus as they were before the Cross in the Covenant of Sinai. Jesus told them that they have sin against the Holy Spirit from God which is a sin in the Law in the Covenant of Sinai. Jesus said was telling them that they are in their sin of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit of God. Jesus was telling them that the Spirit that is working in him is from God and they are in that sin. Or they risk to be in that sin if they are wrong. As the blasphemy about God or the things of God was not forgivable. Jesus also continued to tell them knowing how hard their hearts were and that they will continue to say the same thing in the New Age to come after the Cross in the New Covenant because they will continue to defend what they will do him to put him on the Cross saying the same things about him as a result they will not believe. Jesus saw that and in those moments he saw that he will die from them because they will pursue their plans to kill him and will not scale back. Definitely it was something very specific about them only because they were they only ones who were Contemporary to Jesus and they said those things while in the age of the Sinai Covenant and continued to say the same thing and refused to believe in the age after the Sinai Covenant, the age of the NEW COVENANT. Jesus fore told that the end of the Sinai Covenant is at hand and the beginning of the New Covenant is about to begin as the Sun rises because Jesus Christ died and raised from the dead for the whole world. This is why the scriptures said that the Sinai Covenant was symbolized by the moon as it was not the light for the whole world and all their prophetic was the light for the whole world still had to come and will shine on all the world. The same light for the Jews and the Gentiles. The same light for all. Definitely it was for them only. Jesus on the other hand before his death he let them know that God will forgive them in the spirit of the New Covenant when he will die on the Cross to let them know that Jesus Christ died for all the sins of the world, to let them know that He will accept anyone's faith when they decide to believe in him after the Cross as the invitation to believe is made to everyone no matter what and whom. Any way with the end of the Sinai Covenant with the Cross with the beginning of the New Covenant the Jews like the rest of the world will be found to be in their sins. This is why Jesus told them before his death on the Cross that if you do not believe in me you will die in your sins. That even though they were born in the Covenant of Sinai and lived and had forgiveness of their sins in the Covenant of Sinai, Jesus foretold that they will die in the New Covenant and they need to have their sins forgiven in him. Jesus with this statement to them he foretold his death on the Cross for the forgiveness of the sins of the whole world and the Jews were included in his work of redemption.

In Heaven we are in the light of Jesus Christ and we will continually learn and at time we will see some of the things we knew with perfect clarity. And we will understand some of our misconceptions. Peter in 1 Peter 1: 13-14 13 I think it is right to refresh your memory as long as I live in the tent of this body, 14 because I know that I will soon put it aside, as our Lord Jesus Christ has made clear to me. I am convinced that the Lord will let us know ahead of time when that time will be. He will give us the word of knowledge in this matter. One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit. You must have this gift because He had asked you to take up this service to others and he must have equip you with this gift. He must have informed you that you are going to meet someone he wanted you to meet ahead of time when the meeting happens.

I understand what you meant to say it was about the place where those who died refusing to believe in Jesus Christ are destined to go. I was not playing with words and I did not say for any other reason but to inform that some of the translator had decided to used this word instead of the original who conects to a different context as when Jesus said in Revelation one "I have the keys of Death and Hades and in Revelation twenty the Death and Hades gave up their dead. Which has a context and the word Hell cannot be used as the reference it is of the place of the dead before the Cross and Hell is the reference to the Place where Jesus judges the final place of Jesus Christ judgment for those who refused to believe in him till the time of their death. Hell is synonymous with the final destination of the unbelievers who had the chance for Heaven by believing in Jesus Christ. Before the Cross the people were held their waiting for things to come as the things about Jesus Christ triumph over Death and Hades as he took the keys from both of them...I looked into that and this is why I wanted to make the distinction. You are one of the people really respect since the time when you volunteer to let me know how to used the words "I choose to defer, when I had used the word different in some way.

I do not see these things written in the scriptures. None of the disciples preached those things. Definitely not Peter to whom Jesus said that you will come to me not now but after you die. After your earthly body cannot sustain life in it and your heart stops beating. You have to live your earthly tabernacle behind. New International Version I think it is right to refresh your memory as long as I live in the tent of this body, New Living Translation And it is only right that I should keep on reminding you as long as I live. English Standard Version I think it right, as long as I am in this body, to stir you up by way of reminder, Berean Standard Bible I think it is right to refresh your memory as long as I live in the tent of my body, 2 Peter 1:14 Berean Literal Bible knowing that the putting off of my tabernacle is impending, as also our Lord Jesus Christ has made clear to me. King James Bible Knowing that shortly I must put off this my tabernacle, even as our Lord Jesus Christ hath shewed me.

But and But. Does the scriptures say that they are forbidden to believe in Jesus Christ and or if they believe that Jesus Christ will refuse their faith and not accept their faith? That he will say that I have not die for you. Or because that can happen to an unbeliever. As in the situation of the Jews at that time. And the Gospel was preached to all of them. Jesus before he died He told them that they are forgiven and that God will not hold their sin to accused him and crucified him against them, and against their children. Do you have any example of that having happened in the times of the ministry of the disciples?

Hello @other one greetings to you and thank you for your response but I have to disagree in specific, very specific thing. In the first sentence of your post the word Hell is not a word from the scriptures before the sirculation of some Aglosaxone versions of the Bible after the 14th century. About the wrath of God who is holding it back upon all the disobedient inclusive all according to their level of understanding while they are still alive. Your first statement it refers to after death judgment of Jesus Christ which is not the issue at hand as it is about people who still are alive and the invitation of the Gospel is still being offered to them and are asked to believe as they are in any situation they are From the scriptures we know that anyone who calls upon the name of Jesus Christ is Save. We have many scriptures about the book of Life those active in the will of God. And we akso have the book of the redeemed and about those in Jesus Christ who are active in having their garments clean (referring to spiritual ones) and those of the redeemed who are still having their garments soiled. All of them are inclusive all saved in the same way, their sins are forgiven in the same way. Maybe their names are not written in the active will of Jesus Christ but their names are written in the Book of the redeemed as in Revelation chapter two and three.

I am posting from Acts 2:17-21 from Peter's speech on the day of Pentecost. Peter spoke those words as they were happening as the prophesy of Joel came to pass. These last days in Joel are the day of Pentecost and their after. Those things as recorded in Joel cannot or impossible to happen within the Covenant of Sinai and only can happen and they happened within the New Covenant as we live after the fact of these events it is easy for us to understand the time that they happened. The statement that I will pour out my Spirit on all people that it should include both the jews and Gentiles in the faith of Jesus Christ. And Sons and daughters includes the children of the believers at a very young age prophesying and continues with the young and older men which indicates that the Spirit of God will pour upon all his children in Jesus Christ regardless of age when they first believed and continues later on upon their children's children blessing without end. In the next sentence the Spirit will be pour upon everyone regardless of gender as both the men and women were blessed as God call both men and women his servants in the New and as we learn later the Enuchs who were excluded in the Old were included in the New and that will include the other people who were excluded in the Old who were born disabled. That's is telling us that in striking difference from the old who only men were the servants of God and only men could stand in the presence of God. The women were called to be the Royal Priesthood together with the men. This is amazing as the Gentiles believers were also included in equal portions. And verse 21 says that in the Grate Day of the Lord everyone inclusive who calls on the name of the Lord will be Save and we know this is the Day of the Gospel of Jesus Christ the beginning of the preaching of the Gospel as in the day of Pentecost as Peter told them that the prophetic in Joel it was for everyone who had believed and will believe there after. Verses 19-20 Peter described somethings as they had just happened. Things that signify the end of the Old Covenant and the beginning of the New Covenant. 17 “‘In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams. 18 Even on my servants, both men and women, I will pour out my Spirit in those days, and they will prophesy. 19 I will show wonders in the heavens above and signs on the earth below, blood and fire and billows of smoke. 20 The sun will be turned to darkness and the moon to blood before the coming of the great and glorious day of the Lord. 21 And everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.’[c]

Second Kings 10:34 in three versions New International Version As for the other events of Jehu’s reign, all he did, and all his achievements, are they not written in the book of the annals of the kings of Israel? New Living Translation The rest of the events in Jehu’s reign—everything he did and all his achievements—are recorded in The Book of the History of the Kings of Israel. English Standard Version Now the rest of the acts of Jehu and all that he did, and all his might, are they not written in the Book of the Chronicles of the Kings of Israel?

The last statement in your post is questionable. Because not all who will worship the beast will be in the denial of Jesus Christ. To deny faith in Jesus Christ and dieing in the denial is the pivotal point of being perished, because the faith in Jesus Christ after death is not counted. The faith out of the body is not counted. If they died in their sins they will remain in their sins for ever. After death definitely every one who did not believe will believe. There also believers who will worship the image of the beast for their own reasons. We always have and will have secret believers. They are always rebels in any situation. Rebellion against let's say the beast may be punishable by the beast or his agents. The people continue to worship in the Temple after the veil was torn twain and while someone else had taken the place of their Lord their God and that one was not Jesus Christ.

All sins that lead to condemnation are forgiven but they are not counted as forgiven till the individual believes. Which means that Jesus will accept anyone's faith no matter what his past attitude towards him and God it was. Which is telling us that there are not unforgivable sins. Any one who dies with the knowledge of the Gospel and the refusal to believe till the last moment of his life he will die in his sins regardless of his self righteousness at the time of his death. And regardless if he believes in God or not. The unbeliever cannot commit the sin against the Holy spirit because only a believer who is eligible for the gifts of the Holy Spirit can offend the Holy Spirit in a way that the offender has to live his life in a way without the gifts of the Holy Spirit. He will have the fellowship and the protection of the Holy Spirit because it represents Jesus and because Jesus will not withhold his fellowship from him as he is his own and he can still help him and minister to him by sending Angels and other believersto his help and give him messages throughthem. This is all scripture base and there is nothing in the scriptures that a believer can be deny the fellowship of Jesus Christ or the help from Angels under the authority of Jesus Christ. One example is not only of Paul but from most of the believers who were not born in Christian families and most often is that they first refuse to believe defending the faith they were born in and then they believe at a later time. The pivotal point is to die in the faith of Jesus Christ.

Trying to have a discussion, a meaningful discussion and stating my point with clarity and listen to the other party. We always can learn something or bring our attention to something we need to learn. Considering the discussion later on we may find out that we needed to know things better and with more substance. As we continue to learn and we learn how others think and why they think the way they do. They have the right to think on their own, and we learn to reason things out and new input can help our reasoning. Hopefully in the right direction.