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FOOLISHNESS   LUKE 8:12 those by the wayside are they that hear then cometh the devil and ---TAKETH  AWAY  THE  WORD  OUT  OF  THEIR  HEARTS---  lest they should believe and be saved  --8:15-- but that on the good ground are they which in an honest and good heart having heard the word keep it and bring forth fruit with patience   ECCLESIASTES 5:3  for a dream cometh through the multitude of business ---AND  A  FOOLS  VOICE  IS  KNOWN  BY  MULTITUDE OF  WORDS---   JOHN 3:34   for  HE  whom  GOD  hath sent speaketh the words of  GOD  for  GOD  ---giveth not the spirit by measure unto  HIM   **AGAIN**  HEBREWS 1:1  GOD  who at sundry times and in diverse manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets  --1:2-- hath in these last days spoken unto us by  HIS  son whom  HE  hath appointed heir of all things by whom also  HE  made the worlds  --1:3--  who being the brightness of  HIS  glory and the express image of  HIS  person and upholding ---all things by  THE  WORD  of  HIS  power  ---  when  HE  had --by himself-- purged our sins  ---  sat down on the right of the majesty on high   MATTHEW 12:33  either make the tree good and his fruit good or else make the tree corrupt and his fruit corrupt for the tree is known by his fruit    JOHN 6:63  it is the spirit that quickeneth ---THE  FLESH  PROFITETH  NOTHING---  the words that  --I  SPEAK--  unto you ---they are spirit  --  and they are life--- --6:64--  but there are some of you that believe not for  JESUS  knew from the beginning who they were that believed not  ---AND  WHO  SHOULD  BETRAY  HIM---   JOHN 8:45  AND  BECAUSE  --I--  TELL  YOU  THE  TRUTH  YOU  BELIEVE  ME  NOT    LOVING  THE  LORD  JESUS  CHRIST        

No. There's a definite article. THE great tribulation. It's not a general condition of long duration like 2000 years. It's the same specific GT that only begins after the A of D, as Jesus said.  No conflict except in the doctrine of man.    Except in the primary resurrection, you mean? The ones who came to life to live and reign with Jesus for 1000 years? The same ones who faced the beast and overcame?  Again, definite article, THE great tribulation, not 2000 years of 'THE' GT. Not THE great tribulation. An unjustified conflation as per usual. You hear what you are speaking? Just ignoring this? And I saw something like a sea of glass mixed with fire, beside which stood those who had conquered the beast and its image and the number of its name. There is no 'church age'.  Again: And I saw something like a sea of glass mixed with fire, beside which stood those who had conquered the beast and its image and the number of its name. Impossible. The beast only arrives at the end of the age, not for the last 2000 years does he hold power, he is only given power for 42 months, The so called 'church age' saints had no opportunity to face the beast, therefore no opportunity to refuse the mark and overcome.   

I didn't say the Jews and the Church are one. What I do say is the 'church' is the congregation made up of God's people. This congregation began with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, who is Israel. The Israel of God are the people of the faith of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob which predates the 12 tribes, the nation of borders and the Jewish religion. Further, any not of the faith of Abraham that come to the faith of Abraham and are in Jesus Christ, are adopted by God and grafted into the Israel of God, the people of faith.  In this way there is no 'christian' but only the church, the congregation, the Israel of faith, the true Israel, in Christ, of the faith of Abraham, grafted into the natural olive tree and adopted as sons of God the Father.  You are comparing monkeys to sharks. Which Israel are you talking about? Israel the nation isn't a religion, it's an abstract called a nation.  Religion doesn't compare well with map.  The church, I can only assume you mean Christianity, is a religion; that doesn't compare at all with true faith.  I guess we should define terms if this is to continue. 

I don't think the prophets gave them a resume of personal accomplishmets. Then you're making a mistake. Expertise is not solely based on longevity. Age is not the decider of quality, quality and accuracy speak for itself. That sounds like every pastor, minister, priest, deacon, chaplain I have ever talked to.  I suppose we'll see one day.  I do applaud you for seeing many things others in the pretrib fortress do not see. I don't agree with your specific conclusions as I can find it no where in the scriptures. 

Hi, That is alright! Yeshua does not require you to understand me. Not at all. It is only important to all that each that are called, specifically called, by the Holy Spirit  respond affirmatively to that call and thus receive the Holy Spirit. For without the enabling by the Holy Spirit the word of God is not understandable to any person. Way too many of us have far too many rules of order for others to seek and receive God and His blessings. All any really need do is hear the call  by the Holy Spirit plus, importantly, acknowledge that call. The rules and procedures and many what nots added by mankind are just so much  stuff headed  for the dung gate.